An Increasing Unfortunate Occurrence

It's sad to say, but yes most people are now kicking Mo/W's, i do and i'm a monk myself. Best bet is to ask to see their armour and to ping their health.. This is easy to over come but it's a start. Then as soon as you zone into UW look at the skills they cast on themselves. If Mending and Balthazars Spirit go up, then they are almost most deffo a 55 cheating [email protected] Then that's when you type to the group what's happening, before drawing all the aatax's, and make all the nightmares pop up then get the quest... Does the 55 monk in.

Easy solution: The drop timer doesn't pass while the player they're assigned to is dead. Then just leave your computer on for the night and deny the monk lots of loot

That'd also fix the issue where in a PUG you die in battle normally after some valuable item is dropped for you and the rest of the group refuses to resurrect you until it becomes available and one of them steals it.

I think you should be given the option to take your drops when you leave UW or FoW.... same way you do after completing a mission, that way you can just leave and take your drops with you ... still annoying but at least its something and those greedy M/Wo dont get their grubby hands on your stuff

btw I do think it unfair on the other M/Wo who arent scamming this way to be left out of Pugs, but then again rather that, than wasting more time and more money

or an easier temporary fix:

simply make grouping any Mo/W conditional on them paying the entry fee between them.

then after completing the first quest, you pay them back so everyone has put in equal.

buy trust with trust or something

This is the reason why I've stopped going with PUGs to UW - because the party leader simply will not listen when I tell him to kick the Mo/W that is an obvious asian farmbot.

Never accept blind join requests from a shady looking monk (obvious spambot name), ever, especially when you haven't advertised for one at all.

Happened to me once. We had a smith monk in UW, who didnt rez us and then he continued alone.

Anonther time is was different. The whole group was against me, didnt heal me and told me to leave. They wanted to tell me, how i have to do my job. This is real unpolite since everyone plays another style.

Anyhow here is what they did. First the protection monk did remove life barrier. Then the monks didnt heal me. Then the always shouted at me unfriendly things. But i can be pigheaded. I followed the group and helped fighting. I didnt die and got 2 ectos. The group got nothing. The good guy(s) win at last.

Was doing Dragon's Lair with a bunch of people, one of which I knew and could count on, the others were random people that we invited when spamming "LFG" No sooner did we start then a warrior (not all warriors are bad as I'm one and have never done this) starts spamming "give me a sword or I won't do anything to help you guys."

We didn't give him a sword and as soon as the first boss was killed, he ran through the portal while the monks in the group were trying to cap the elite. Of course before we could yell at him on the other side of the portal, he had dropped from the game. What an prick. But we all got the elite because the skill window follows through the portal if you have completed the cap spell.

my monk is Mo/W and constantly switches between 55, passive prot (barrier+bond), active prot, and full-out healing setups. please don't bash the Mo/W.
reason: i don't use any of my secondary for my passive prot, active prot, or healing builds! WHAT A REVELATION! get a clue.

Simple fix to this is to have the monks ping their health before hand and what weapons they have. if they dont, we boot them from the party. if we go in and find one of them is a farmer, we take the quests and aggro everythign to the monk and get him killed asap.

Just have health show as a number within the Party health bars. How hard can it be for Anet to put that in? There's no reason why anyone would want to have their health number hidden...

Good idea... that would fix things

I'd surely pay the 1k fee to have an experienced party bring me in fissure or underworld. I still never visited those place because NPC don't follow.

I've learned to not trust people in games by having 2 account hacked and lots of item stolen in another game. That's basically why im alone most of the time in Guilwars. When i get in a group, it always have something wrong such as people insulting everyone, people sitting and waiting for you to finish the mission, people quit as soon as they die and people waiting to revive others to steal the drops.

I'm a Mo/W and I wouldn't do this to people. It's not fair to me that I'm lumped with the rest of those lying moochers.

Battle Torn - I like your idea of people being able to retain their drops after quest has ended or whatever. It'd solve a lot of issues and reduce the likehood of people picking up their drops while they should be helping the rest of the group fighting off mobs that has been swarming them.

But why would you take Mo/W for healing/prot? Just switch your secondary whenever you're not playing solo, problem solved.

What problem? You don't need any secondary skills from any profession.

Well I got a 55mo/w. Its a solo farming buil, made for (drums...) solo farming! And I go (drums...) solo! I rarely do it though, especialy since the aoe patch. After that my guildm8 and I would chase the aatxes into corners with balthas turned on Idiots. Quite a laugh though.

Anyways since i do have another armor set (smart eh?) my guildmates and I (the 5 of us) wanted to do some FOW. We decided to take another 3 ppl, and this monk/war answers our call by saying that hell pay the fee (!) if we go to UW. Fine by me. Before I was even connected there were 3 or 4 aatxes hacking away at the unsuspecting pcs, and me of course. We of course all died except for the monk. I couldnt survive even with time to prepare because the build is quite different when going to heal party members (doh). The monk (being a solo farmer) went on to solo with us lying in the dirt. I just watched in disbelief for a while and bizzarely when I finally asked him WTF he said he's a Chinese scammer monk (!?). Note that HE payed the fee.

here's my clue: Go change your seconday in the desert if you want to come along since it obviously doesn't matter what it is. Especially if you switch to something like E or R, I'm pretty sure you can't solo with either of those 2 secondaries.

Doesn't matter what their secondary is. Doesn't matter how often they ping their health. Doesn't matter how often you force them to let you check their armor. With the way the game is currently set up, there are no totally reliable ways to identify Underworld scammers. Something ought to be done, since as has been pointed out, this relatively miniscule proportion of the population is absolutely ruining it for anyone who could possibly be 'another damned scammer'.

What I want to know is why it's such a big goddamned deal for these a**holes to avoid paying their 1K entrance fee. They are solo farming one of the most profitable areas in the game; 1K a run should barely be a speedbump to them. Hell, one lousy Ecto and they're set for the next ten runs. It's disgusting that people can get so analy, destructively greedy over such a relatively tiny amount of money...

Yup, best advice is to never accept a blind invite from a Mo/W or Mo/m. Don't know how many times I have to point out to the team that these characters are solo monks there to ruin our fun.

For all you monks out there... if I'm asking for a monk, the easiest way to avoid me jumping to conclusions about the /w is to whisper me

To be honest I made my Mo/W long before all of this Mo/W hype started. It just seem to me Tactics would fit well with monking skills should I have to tank and yes I've became a tanker for groups from time to time.

However most of the time when there's a more suitable tank in the group (warrior for instance) or there's no healing monk I go full healing and rarely use my secondary.