Why is farming wrong?

Uh huh. Too bad 'farming' in groups as ANet wants you to do, will only take you a year to get a set of Fissure armour. Just a year anyway, no big deal.

I don't believe that. If you want FOW armour then you really should be spending your time in FOW and UW. At least a good part of it. I don't farm or play solo, I don't have a character with a build that can do it, and I wouldn't even know how to make such a build. I spend most of my time now going to SF or FOW or UW, mostly with friends, and mostly with a full party (ok, for SF maybe 6/8). I try to play every evening for a number of hours, but a lot of that time is spent just chatting at some outpost. And my rate of accumulation of money from drops sold to merchants + ectos + shards is such that I probably could afford FOW armor for one character in, yes, a long time but no where near a year. Supplement this with the occasional rare find of a superior rune of value or black dye, and I probably could afford FOW armor after a number of months of casual playing. And besides, wasn't that the whole point of an elitist armour like FOW? If you didn't have to break your butt to get it, it wouldn't be worth having.

another debate bah!

I take it you don't like debates?

--The Shim

A group of eight, three hours in the UW, two or three Ecto drops. Just me, five minutes in the desert, 600-800 gold.

I think you get what I mean .

Usually I tag along with the trapper groups my Guild organizes, so four or five of us in the UW. It's still not efficient.

I know some people think that Fissure armour is pointless, but personally I'm a perfectionist, so getting Fissure armour for at least one character is definitely high on my list of priorities.

In my opinion, if ANet want to reduce the amount of people farming, they should give us a reason to farm in groups. Say, everybody gets a drop from an enemy. Something like that.

its Anets fault if they create a game and people play it.... then say that some people are abusing the system when all they are doing is playing the game and visiting the same area over and over.

pft... play the game and get on with it.... if the software allows you to do something then it shouldnt be looked at as anything else but part of the game....yeh good idea they need to encourage people to play in teams....whats wrong with good quest item rewards for everyone?

Yeah, I'm guessing I could have FOW armor by now.. if I didn't choose to buy 5 1/2 sets of 15k armor for my chars and a weapons upgrade or two

One of those 15k armors was achieved without the help of farming and took me forever to get.

Agreed, but couldn't the same could be said for most of the new posts in the the Riverside Inn? Maybe a fresh start brings a fresh discussion.

if it weren't for farming everything would b less expensive

so the 15k armour would go down in price?

[QUOTE=Shimus DarkRaven]At least with farming<or repeated kills for loot and money> is not begging money off of other people, and people who sit on their rump trading <Which is myself, I have to admit, sometimes> but I like farming due to the fact you can earn money and enjoy the game without repeatedly typing in the same sentence like:
"WTS 10/10 Sundering Hilt!" QUOTE]

I agree completely. I spent a lot of time - fairly early in the game - trading. As Shimus said later in his note, I have nothing against traders. It's just that - for me - it was unpleasant standing around in LA 1 shouting WTS. So I started farming as a way to earn the gold I wanted (not needed, those who say that you don't need a bunch of gold are absolutely right - it's just that I wanted it). At first it was a chore but (for me, your own mileage may vary) but now it's actually fun. And, I do think I've learned a little about builds along the way. I'm not recommending farming. If it bores you or seems wrong, of course you shouldn't do it. But it's become an enjoyable part (about 20% for me) of the game. I know others in game who truly enjoy trading. And for them, it's an exciting part of the game. That seems fine too. What I am saying is that one of the really nice things about this game is that it offers a lot of different ways to play.

[QUOTE=AxeMe]Exactly. I said earlier that Fissure armour is one of my goals, so obviously I'm farming for a reason, but I do enjoy it. It's relaxing. After a hard mission or quest or whatever, it's nice to just sit back and massacre some Griffons.

I don't really farm. I just happen to like roaming around the maps. Like yesterday, Droknar's and on up to Icedome and thence to Frozen Forest and then over to Iron Mines. Lots of fun, for me anyway, and a good thing I do it for fun, because total drops out of all that was almost nothing.

Only recently did I FINALLY get my monk builds perfect for farming

I enjoy the thrill of going out and having 20 or so creatures chasing me for my blood...then making them kill themselves...its a great buzz. Especially when you look at the ground and see about 5k worth of drops in one area. =D

The problem is...as been said before...people who spend hours and hours (I mean like 4hours+) just farming one area over and over, bleeding it for all it's worth. I will admit I have done this on occasions, but man was I board. You know the route, where the monsters spawn, how to avoid them...the only buzz is seeing a gold unidentified armour drop on the floor...with your name on it.

One thing I will never understand is...the 15k and fissure armour...why do people want it?????

With the FoW armour I understand that it does make you look god like [except the necro one.... looks crap] but it costs in the reason of 1 million gold for it...not to mention the trek to get it. INSANE. Spending tones and tones of money and time farming/buying/trading for your materials to get armour that is no better than the armour you get in droknars forge.

Personally I love my Necro's Tormentor armour from droks and my Monks tattoos from droks

15k armour is just as bad...not AS bad...but you get the impression. For Necros it is worse than Droks armour (granite armour that is) and the Grotto armour is just different looks [except the Tormentor's armour...still looks the same....]. 15k a piece...all the delrimor steel, hides, time, money...WHY...is your self confidence so low that you need other people to say
"Oh look at you, you spend around 100k[or 1 million in the case of FoW] on armour...your hardcore...you must be good if you can afford that..."

Sad, just sad.

But the people who buy these items often FARM for ages to get them. Then people who understand that people need the items for the armour will also go out and farm for them...only to sell them on....

As you can only hold 1.4 million in the whole game (1 mill in storage 100k in the wallet of each of you Char's) people resort to Ecto's as a form of currency. Thus meaning that the UW its raped of all the ecto's you can find. I must admit I am farming for Ectos at the moment, and I will also admit it for a stupid cause (one reason is to pay my friend back for all the items/time he's given me, the other is to get enough money so that when Chapter 2 comes around I wont have to worry) but I'm not down there for hours on end, day in day out.

Farming does have knock on effects...the patch...but it makes people be more creative with their builds then...and Arena don't seem to have made it imposible to farm solo (if they wanted to do that im sure they'd make it so you couldn't leave a town on your own or something like that), just more challenging.

I for one welcome this challenge, namely because I can profit from it, but also others can too. The more ectos you farm, the more ectos you get. The more ectos you sell to the trader, the cheaper they become. If things continue Ecto's will soon be priced and below 10k at the trader, or who knows even less than that, same for shards, and Sup runes (sup vigor has dropped quite a bit lately).

My theory is the more you sell to traders, the more people benefit from it. If I have the chance I sell materials to traders thus lowering the in game price. If others also did this then the need to farm would greatly decrease.

Because it's there. The more unattainable something is, the more people want it (me included).

I have 15k armour for all three of my characters - though it's only Grotto & Granite - because it looks nice and it's rewarding to get it. I would like to get Fissure, but I hate going to the FoW and UW.

can;t actually belive i wrote a post that big.....wow....

anyway

i msut confess i too want 15k armour for my warrior....for the looks...shallow i know...but i want him to look repectable in my eyes...n platmail armour witha pig on the front is not respectable

acauly i dont like repeated debates

imo farming is only bad to the people that dont know how, so they rant and rant about how people should not farm and whine about nerfing farmers.

Well, the fact of the matter is half the stuff in the riverside is repeated anyways...maybe you shouldn't be in riverside, and somewhere else? Like a heated debate in The Q&A? Oh, that's right, it's probably still repetitive.

People will bring up the same topics for years to come, and coincedentally, might get shut down with a mod saying, "Hey, this has been done already. Use the search button"

But yeah, I agree overall..people are repeating debates. But it's good to bring a new wind to an old subject..it's called a bump

--The Shim