Question about Expertise and Spell Costs

Hi,

Does the Ranger Expertise attribute only reduce the costs of Ranger related skills or does it also reduce the cost of other profession based skills?

How do you know if your skill cost has dropped. I don't even think it shows when you browse over the skill/spell icon with your cursor. It always shows the same cost.

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On part 2 - Skills never show the reduced energy cost. They will always show the full cost, but when you go to use the skill the correct amount of energy will be reduced. You will aso be able to use the skills the moment you have the energy to met the lowered energy requirement.

Lets just say you use a 10 energy skill, which will cost 6 energy after the expertise bonus is taken off... the skill will show it costing 10 energy, but when you use it you will only loose 6 energy. .. now say you were at 0 energy and wanted to use that skill, you'd have to wait till you had 6 energy before being able to use it, not 10 energy like the skill description would lead you to believe.

i'll add that exprties will not be usefull with the secondary proffession mean10 of well of blood will use 10 energy of ur energy so be carfull, use only low req energy skills for the second proffession

Thanks for you relplies!

If I understand correctly:

1) Ranger Expertise attrib. only reduces the energy cost of the Ranger skills...but NOT the engergy cost of the secondary Profession skills or spells.

2) The reduced costs do not show when placing your cursor over the skill/spell icon.


Thanks!

No, no, no! Expertise reduces skill cost across professions.
Expertise costs chart.

Try using the 15e skill Vampiric Touch with 16 expertise, and it suddenly becomes a lot more spammable. A full bar of energy-costing warrior attacks becomes more viable too. Hamstring anyone?


--> Go to GWGuru.com skill listings,
and sort using '' All classes/Skill Type/Blank/Blank ''

Everything except Spells, Hexes and Enchantments are affected by Expertise.
Expertise is your daddy!








msihkin

You think it doesn't affect others because most other professions use "spells" which is one of the 3 things expertise doesn't help.

Ill just add that expertise also affects glyphs as well in case you like to use them.

r u sure?

because i have r/n and realy nothing reduce if i use any skill

my experties 8-11 sometimes

Just about 1000% sure that they're correct.

u mistake mate

experties only works with ranger skills

i gave a try and put all my attribute points to blood and experties and it didnt work at all

i used well of blood and it really cost me 15 energy

if u want to make sure, just pm me in game i'll show u that experties doesnt work with second professions skils.

experties, fast casting ,strength , energy storage and soul reaping all dont work with second profession

if there r working that means the necromancer will be the best character then ranger then mesmer but all of them just work for the main or original profession.

check this Q from ncsoft knowledge base that will assure my point.

http://support.guildwars.com/cgi-bin...i=&p_topview=1

sigh spells and skills are not the same! only the skills actually with the word skill in there description like vampiric touch get the benefit of expertise and seeing as well of blood is listed a spell its not going to get reduced by expertise

cpiche ?

Well of Blood is a spell. Expertise does not affect the cost of spells, be they listed as Enchantment Spells, Hex Spells, or just plain Spells.

Seriously, just search these forums for Expertise. Curious people have tested these things before; why not enjoy the spoils of their labors?

sorry mate

i updated my last post just read it again and click at the link

but really worked with 3 skills only not spells

The link you posted doesn't have anything to do with this thread. It doesn't even mention Expertise.

Sure, your link does go to a Knowledge Base article, but how is that article relevant to the way Expertise works? It's about attribute points, for crying out loud! And if you did update your last post, why didn't you delete the erroneous information? The primary attribute never goes away; what it does never changes. An E/Me gets the same benefit from high Energy Storage as a plain Elementalist created for PvP. Do you honestly believe there is a separate pool for that character's Mesmer spells? Please. Fast Casting works on all spells, not just Mesmer ones, so a Me/E casts Elementalist spells faster than a plain Elementalist. Please, do not generalize your view on primary attributes based on how you mishandle the way Expertise interacts with secondary profession skills. At the very least, do a forum search for some guides that explain things you claim knowledge of.

100% incorrect. Expertise reduces the costs of all of all Attack Skills, Preparations, Traps, Stances, Rituals, Glyphs, and Shouts by 4% per attribute level.

Uh, what?

Ofcourse it didn't reduce the cost of well of blood. You know why? Because Well of Blood is a spell, and is thus not affected by expertise.

Fast casting redcues the casting time of any type of spell, regardless if it's a monk spell, a necromancer spell, or a mesmer spell. It does what it says it does.

I have to agree with Don, I tried out high expertise and my charm animal skill didn't get the reduction.

weird

Yes, your skill got the reduction. No, the reduced enery cost doesn't show up in the tooltip or in the skill description - look at your energy bar after using a skill, and you'll see the difference.

Expertice i think only affect traps, skills, stances and attacks. Spells: no. Mesmer, warrior stances, yes.

If you were to test it by looking at how much energy your energy bar loses after using a skill, or if you were to search these forums, you'd know that the only thing Expertise has no effect on are Spells. Everything else gets a reduction in cost. This would be most obvious with Vampiric Touch, since with 12 points in Expertise (48% reduction) that skill should cost you about 8 energy instead of the listed 15. If you're so skeptical of the data already gathered on the subject, go try it yourself.