a tip for the mouthbreathers out there... spread the word.

LFG = looking for GROUP

GLF = GROUP looking for..

In both of these phrases the important word is GROUP!

Futhermore, I don't care you who are, if you are the only member of your party you do not constitute a GROUP!

Maybe I'm just in a rotten mood, and maybe this problem is made worse by the fact that I'm a monk. But I despise when I put out an lfg and get a blind invite and it turns out to be one guy. I often just leave on principal because I clearly stated I was looking for a group. Just as annoying is when someone advertises a group looking for a monk and it turns out to be one guy.

/rant off.

ps. Mouthbreather... you've all see them, they've always got that slackjaw drawing flies look on their faces, this is how envision people who cant grasp the above concept.

LFG , GLF , mission , quest ? farming , running ?

the game is filled with humans , not robots , this words can be confusing for someone that doesnt play the game all day ... i see people everywhere still confusing this ... so dont take it as a skam ... its more of a noob act.

Nah, sorry, was being sarcastic about relating the use of the mouth to typing. Anyways, I know what you mean by it, but not so sure what's the problem. You could just start with you and the one person who invited you, and then begin the group from there.

Certainly I'm not accusing anyone of scamming, but someone whos doing this at the deldrimor war camp, or the Temple of Ages should understand the meaning of these phrases. I'm just highly annoyed. It's like a little man tap dancing on my last nerve when I'm trying to get a group for one of these places and I get the invite and I'm thinking this PUG wont suck donkey privates, and it turns out to be one guy who is just inviting me because I'm a monk. Worse in my mind is the guy who confuses the GLF because thats straight up false. I just want to yell at these people... YOU ARE NOT A GROUP. Maybe its just me.

Sometimes when I'm in a good mood I dont care. But tonight I'm not feeling very friendly and it just bothers me intensely for some reason. I mean its not like i'm being unclear, I'm stating that I'm seeking a group. Not seeking some guy to invite me because he can advertise that he has a monk in his group to recruit with. Trust me, thats not a group you really want to be in.

A group is merely a collection of people. Which is why I opt for the word 'team'.

I don't think that person is confusing GLF or LFG. Just wants to join up with a monk. By any chance was it a warrior? How about starting a group? Or getting guildies/friends if they are not busy?

Anyways, whatever works for you. Good luck.

agreed. but I dont want to further confuse people with LFT or TFL. In either case you'll agree with me that one player does not a group make, right?

I've been using lft since the days of AO

Ever heard this:
"GLF 2 monks 1 heal 1 prot, 1 Nuker and 1 Minion master for 5-man SF farming team!"
I imagine you would find this quite irritating, I just laugh and think of the poor mending W/Mo sitting alone in the corner spamming this.

What the hell!?!?! This may be the most ignorant thing I've read on this board to date, and that covers a fair bit of ground.

I'm not sure whether you're aware of this or not, but ALL groups, whether it's a Guild Wars troupe or the teamsters union, they ALL start with one person asking one other person to join him/her... and you quit a group because you were the first one the guy invited? Wow... just wow. I form groups all the time based on people saying "LFG"... that's what people say when they want to play. They don't say "LF 1 person that's starting a group so I can be second" because it makes absolutely no difference what order you're invited in. They're looking for a group, and as soon as they join me, voila, we're a pair. Then I invite 1 more person, and hey, magic again, we're a group. Soon enough, the group fills up. See how simple that was? Not joining a person because he's the one starting the group is just foolish, because there's a good chance he's forming the group because he knows what he's doing. Most morons that have no clue what they're doing won't bother starting a group, they'll join an existing one so people don't realize how useless they are until its too late. If you accept their invitation and see that he's throwing out random invites to the entire district, then yes, by all means, leave... but if he's the guy that goes there knowing exactly what to do, sees "Monk LFG" and invites you so he can begin building a solid group, and you won't join him before someone else does, thats insanely strange to me.

Simplified: if everyone required more than one person to be in a group before they accepted an invite, NO GROUPS WOULD FORM. Jesus... I don't even know how to stress this point any harder.

I'm sort of shell-shocked by how matter-of-factly you talk about this concept, like anyone who doesn't already have 3 people when they invite you is the lowest form of moron.

I see where youre coming from. Futher, I understand that all groups start with one person inviting another. That IS how groups start. But the start of a group is not a group. When I say LFG, I mean LFG, I want a group, ready to go. I deny your logic that anyone who is looking for people who are experienced and ready to go knows nothing.

Even if I were to concede your point to you in that instance, which I do not, that still leaves the people who are talking about "groups" looking for 2 monks for SF that turn out to be one person. That is clearly not a group.

If you won't join a group that doesn't already have 5 or 6 people in it because you're too impatient to wait for a team to form, you don't sound like a really valuable asset to anyones team. The game takes patience, if you don't even have enough of it to wait for a group to form, good luck to you.

I didn't say that "anyone who is looking for people who are experienced and ready to go knows nothing" I just said that its ridiculous to leave a group if you're the first invited because all groups of anything start with 1. Point still stands.

Your point does not stand good sir.

A single person, advertising as a group looking for A monk, or 2 monks, does not a group make, thus, advertising as a group is false.

Again, I refute that the fact that my desire not to sit thru the construction of a pug, which in no way improves the chances of that pug being better than one thats ready to go, makes me any less of an asset to a team.

You don't have to tell me the game takes patience, I've finished with 2 and have 2 more nearly finished as well and my monk is 3 classes into all skills unlocked, but that doesn't include joining "groups" of one.

Now, thats twice, once indirectly and once directly that you've tried to insult my ability to be an asset to a party. While I have not insulted you once. Try again if you must to prove that youre right, but try this time to do it without the backhanded dig.

The backhanded digs will keep coming, no matter how many times you litter your stunted logic with 5-dollar-words or affect a pompous dialect.

If you DON'T HAVE PATIENCE, you are not an asset to your team because the game requires patience. I thought that was pretty clear. If you can't wait for a PUG to form, you don't have patience. Got it? Clear? (Don't agree, I really don't care.)

All you're doing is debating the usage of the word GROUP. People say LFG or GLF because their end goal is to have a full group, and like I've said umpteen times in the course of this discussion, ALL GROUPS START WITH ONE. The ONLY DIFFERENCE between one person inviting you and 6 people inviting you is that you'll have less of a wait before you enter your mission/area. What does that say? All you want to avoid is that couple of minutes of waiting, which is proof that your problem is that you have no patience.

I don't have to "prove" I'm right, simple logic dictates that all groups begin with one person inviting another person to join him/her. If I have to do some sort of test to "prove" this to you, you are beyond help. If you want to avoid this nonsensical, absurd "problem", then you should do something about it. Post "LFG with 7/8 slots filled" in the local channel, since that is a pretty uncommon request. I'm going to go out on a limb and say most people will think you're sort of petty if you need to be invited into a group in a certain order.

I've used indirect "insults" because I don't want to flame you, but believe me I'm having a tough time holding back... and please note, proper usage of English and grammar isn't enough to make a nonsensical argument stick or make you seem any smarter. You can gift-wrap a turd, but whats in the box?

Edit: Is calling anyone who doesn't agree with your misguided logic a "mouthbreather" and inferring that they're one step shy of completely retarded, a totally appropriate, rational, thing to say? Or would that perhaps be a "dig" of some sort? Maybe it only applies when you disagree with what they're saying?

Second edit: I'm done with this argument. Everyone who disagrees with your totally obtuse complaint, is, as you've stated, a "mouthbreather". Everyone who tries to form a group without 4 guildies already in his party before he invites you is a complete lackwit, a moron with less than half a brain. You are right, and everyone else is wrong.

Next time find something real to complain about.

Although Elistan may state his argument rather bluntly, it's still a valid point. Stop arguing semantics and throwing insults.

Yes, we'd all like a group waiting with 7 people that was just waiting for us to finish it off, but that is not reality.

Nor does a group being "ready to go" imply that it is any better than one that is newly forming. The only difference is the time you spend waiting for the rest of the group to form. Obviously you would like to always save that time, and thus never be a part of newly forming groups. The problem is, if everyone thought like that, no full groups would ever get made - as everyone would be waiting for nearly finished groups.

If his point is that 1 person does not make a group, point taken. If his point is that anyone who takes the initiative to start a group and invites people who say "LFG" (ie 100% of people playing in PUGs) is a "mouthbreather", I'm still having trouble coming to grips with it... anyway I'm posting this as an assurance to you as well, I'm done with this thread. Happy trails.

The other poster's point, although likewise stated bluntly, was likewise valid. Patience is an asset to a team. Elistan appears to only want to join groups "ready to go". I've pointed out the problem with that in my previous post.

Most people are looking for at least partly made groups. If I'm forming a PUG, which I don't do anymore, I either say "LF Mesmer, Ranger, 2 Monks" or "forming new group, need Mesmer, Ranger, 2 Monks".

To clarify my earlier statement: both have valid points, but any more insults and this thread is done.