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Originally Posted by Akilles
if u excel in pvp then pve should be nothin for u and ur group to power level ur butt to lvl 20 in 5 hours (it can be done as i did it.) and get u to the citidel and or grotto, i say in 6 hours play time u can have it. as for money? u should have some gold items to sell for that huh? i say in all u need 100k for starters (75k for armor then add in materials)
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Originally Posted by neoteo
/NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you want 15k armors , PLAY RPG !!! laizy pvp players FTL |
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Originally Posted by neoteo
/NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
if you want 15k armors , PLAY RPG !!! laizy pvp players FTL[/quote[ So to anyone who accuses people of being lazy for not playing xxx hrs on a video game and grinding their way to glory... go take a really hot french fry and put it in your eye. Because the very people you accuse have more responsibilty than you do. I'm getting educated from seven to three; from five to eleven I work. That means from six to twelve I'm away from my computer, on my toes, progressing through life. That's fourteen hours on my toes with two hours of rest-- rest I can use to kiss my girl, sleep some more, or drink coffee, or play a game. And, of course, I do have days off during the week, but GET REAL! You damn hypocrites... |
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Originally Posted by Catalin Dracul
I agree with the above post BUT Pvp chars should get a special armour for each proffesion that Pve people cant get.(or something like that :P)
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Originally Posted by King Symeon
good idea, maybe pvpers could have special armour to separate them from the rest
also i agree with the post above that making pvp characters is all to do with flexibility, being able to bring in a profession to a party real quick, but for that character to have cool gear too is kinda...well...ppl could think they really bought the 15k and they are an rp character... maybe <pvp>tags would be a good idea... |
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Originally Posted by Luthor
I just want to remind every PvE'er out there with Fissure Armor.
Us PVPer's help get back favor when we lose to Korea or Europe so PvE'ers can go back to farming in UW or FoW. We never get any respect. Personally I think PvE'ers need to take a step back and see how much PvP players help out PvE'ers, yet we really get nothing in return. This fight isn't about the armor, but it's about PvE'ers want everything for themselves. Imagine if we stopped getting favor. Wouldn't like that too much would you? Just switch servers? Go ahead, we don't want you here if we can't get the simple respect we deserve. |
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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr
you lazy asses gotta go pve and get 15ks yourselves the hard way.
no how about this. you get 15k or fissure from pvp, pvers get fame from griffons. cool? :P besides, im seeing few pvpers sporting 15ks and/or FoW armors dyed in black lately in tombs. |
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Originally Posted by TopGun
actualy i think pvp players are 1000 times more skiled then pve players ...
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Originally Posted by King Symeon
having 15k/fow armour is a show that you've gotten far in rp with that particular character, therefore if ur making a pvp character with no effort just to do tombs or arenas or something, you shouldn't be allowed to have the coolness of 15k/fow armour.
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Originally Posted by Catalin Dracul
I agree with the above post BUT Pvp chars should get a special armour for each proffesion that Pve people cant get.(or something like that :P)
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Originally Posted by Luthor
If PvP'ers got their own special armors PvE'ers would complain how they can't have it. That's when I would laugh and call them damn hypocrites.
Anyways, I would like to see something that PvP'ers could unlock. Whether it be weapon graphics, armor graphics, pet graphics, just give us something. |
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Originally Posted by Lexar
There was a time when people considered the pvp characters, the poor man's alternative for playing pvp. For those people that weren't far enough in the game to really pvp with their rp character. I think that the pve characters should even have some sort of advantage over pvp characters, in order to not let the two ways to play the game be seperated too much. Right now it's like you have two games that run paralel next to each other, and the only interaction between them is the occasional pve character in tombs. I would suggest maybe changing the items and upgrades, and weapons of pvp characters to a little below perfect, you don't see an actual difference when you play, so not that much would change anyway, and people might be more inclined to use a pve character, which would lead to more interaction between pve and pvp.
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Originally Posted by Akhilleus
heres a thought; a pve char can do anything a pvp char cant (unless you're too lazy to unlock elites in pve), so if you want something on pvp that you can only have in pve, MAKE A PVE, and if you're admitting that that takes too much time effort and work, then thank you for making my argument all the more valid.
you can already give your gold weapons and great shields to pvp chars (which is an atrocity), and thats bad enough. and unfortunatly for you, anet, and probably the majority of players, agree with me. it is only the minority of people who want that perfect +30 -2 shield, fissure armor, etc, for close to no work on thier pvp char, who agree with this absurd notion. i play both pve and pvp, and i worked for the equipment and collections i have, why should you be exempt from the same amount of time and dedication to get the same equipment on a character which only required 3 minutes of work; the time it takes to set them up. as far as im concerned, a character that requires NONE of the work to level up or play through the game, deserves NONE of the benifits of one that does. |
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Originally Posted by neoteo
man ... this is a monday morning so i will have to say what i really think about this ...
remove the pvp char creation from the game ! and STFU |
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Originally Posted by Morganas
Christ there's alot of hate for pvpers in a game built around pvp in this thread.
Demanding that we pve to unlock the armor is fair, as you had to do the same, but requiring we do that for every disposable character we make is not fair. Serious pvpers cannot use rp characters in pvp. I usually end up having to reroll my character before every group I join, and several times during too as we tweak the build. It's wrong that if you spend most of your time with skilled pvp groups you never even get to see 15k armor, except on the rare off-chance one of your rp characters actually fits in a build, equipment and all. Being able to unlock 15k armor for my pvp character wouldn't be like giving it to a bunch of rp characters, it would be like giving a set to a single constantly changing character. Also, let me quickly address the flawed assumption that seems to be floating around that pvpers are lazy. To pvp well (that is, meet the expectations of a good pvp guild), you have to have a good 90% of the game skills unlocked, across all classes. This means playing through the game on 3 characters, and filling in the skill gaps with faction. This is no small feat. So I guess the reason pvpers are being called lazy is because we don't spend significant amounts of time doing mindless farming all the time, but instead put all of those earned skills to good use. So, the fact that a pvpers end game is spent in strategic competition verses the pvers braindead button mashing makes the pvpers lazy. Right. |
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Originally Posted by theVariable
Wow. That's a lot of narrow mindedness for one thread. I don't even know where to start. Or do I? I play mostly PvE. I too earned my 15k armor. And I see no reason why a PvP player shouldn't be able to unlock extra armor in PvE. I have 3 PvE characters and I've unlocked weapon upgrades and runes that can be used in PvP. So why can't I unlock better looking armor? The normal armor is boring and I bought the 15k for a reason. The point of having a PvP character is flexibility. So I get to fill any role with my PvP character with all the great stuff I took the time to unlock, but I still have to look bland in the process? I took the time to earn it. "It's merely aesthetic so it doesn't matter", as many of you have said. Since it doesn't matter, why must you trample on my enjoyment? So what about PvP players being able to reuse the armor? Oh my. Do they not reuse runes and weapon upgrades? It's all part of being flexible. And so what if they make 3 PvP characters with duplicated armor? Are each of the characters going to form their own consciousness and simultaneously take over the game world? You can only use one at a time. Their use doesn't affect you.
The devs are going to look at this thread and all of this arguing and they will likely not even touch this issue. Because a large amount of people here are selfish and ignorant. You don't bother to look at the whole picture or even possible compromises. And using armor to distinguish PvE from PvP players is idiocy, at best. There are many PvE players using normal armor, in PvP arenas. But then you hate that PvP players get rank emotes. Did you know that it carries back over to your precious PvE characters? And guess what that emote is? It's merely aesthetic so it doesn't matter. You should probably push the devs to have that removed. I mean, why should a PvE character get to have a deer/wolf/tiger jumping out of their stomach? What did they do to earn that!? Oh, wait... Now get over yourselves and stop your pointless segregation. Some of you act like black people should still ride in the back of the bus (figuratively, of course)... And thinking that way is outdated and ridiculous. |
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
>.< This thread is turning into a flaming ball of poo. This is getting dumb people. Look at the advantages and disadvantages. YOU CANT HAVE BOTH.
Advantage of PvP Character: Starts at lvl 20 Has all attributes without attribute quest Access to unlocking any skills in any order (even skills not in their profession) Access to unlocking any mods in any order (without the randomness and frustration of unidentified weapons) Can use weapons, dyes, and shields from PvE (with use of Xunlai Storage) Access to armor and weapons without any cost (once unlocked) Access to elite skills without killing and capturing from high level bosses Can be repeatedly deleted and remade without losing any investment in time. Disadvantage of PvP character: Only available in PvP (big disadvantage) Can only use 1.5k armor Pet will only be Elder Wolf Weapons can only be common skins (although max with perfect mods) Advantage of PvE character: Access to story (though some people could care less about this) Access to PvP areas Access to merchants/traders/etc. Access to Fissure of Woe and UW Access to rarer skins on weapons (but still same stats as PvP weapons) Access to more expensive and exotic looking armor (but still same stats PvP armor) Access to more pet options and pet training (dire, elder and hearty) Can be used as a PvP character. Disadvantages of PvE character: Much much bigger time investment than a PvP character Cannot use PvP weapons. Cannot use PvP unlocked skills. Elite skills must be captured by finding and killing high level bosses The BIGGER investment in a PvE character is what makes it considerably different from the PvP character which can be deleted and remade in a few minutes. It takes MUCH longer for a PvE character to fight with a PVP character on an even level of equipment considering they have access to weapons and skills just by talking to the Priest. PvE players have to invest more time in getting weapons (collectors or rare) that are even or on par with PvP modded weapons. If you want to unlock 15k armor with faction, then faction should be harder to get. Or it requires you to spend FAME. |
