Thunderclap is broken and now needs to be nerfed.

We fought a Korean guild ranked 29 that wiped us by exploiting that bug.
You instantly have no respect for a guild when they just do something like that.
Man I wished I had packed winter and we would have sent them back to their momma's.

It doesn't end when you can't pay the next knockdown - therefore sitting on the target until the duration ends or get removed.

No, it doesn't. Your whole team gets thunderclap and about a second after that you will be knockdown the whole time - leaving you a very short timeframe for removing.

Of course there are ways to counter it - but nonetheless it is bugged.

So what?
I've seen every now and then a team running it. If played right you can shutdown the monks for a few seconds and use that time to spike 2-3 players. I saw it work and I saw it fail.

How can you really argue that a bugged skill is fine just because it isn't perfect.

Sure it isn't perfect. Sure it can be countered - but it's seriously bugged.

B-U-G-G-E-D
you know what that means: a bug need to be fixed. There is no way anyone can argue about it.

We can argue if Thunderclap needs a buff - I'm all up for it.

But keep in mind: every skill that should end when you can't pay the energy is bugged atm.

If you want a buff for thunderclap - go open a new thread, we can discuss it and I'm up for a reducing of the energy cost of a knockdown. But atm it is BUGGED.

People are still missing the reason why the bug is so bad.

On an ele, ranger, or anything that uses energy to do damage or anything else, the bugged thunderclap is just a mediocre shutdown skill, like a blackout that instantly takes away all of your energy and requires that you completely babysit your target, so yeah, comparing it to powerblock in this instance is ok.

The problem is when a WARRIOR uses it. They can clap an enemy at 5 energy using glyph of energy, and completelyl shutdown their target. Meanwhile, their damage abilities are completely unhindered, since they use adrenaline instead of energy for abilities.

It's stupid arguing that this bug is OK because you're a terrible elementalist who actually thinks this bug would make your class more powerful, which it won't beyond a few very limited uses, while the bug completely overpowers any warrior or uses it.

It's more effective on an E/W than a W/E

the spell doesent end but when the caster runs out of energy he cant knock you down anymore. it is bugged tho, just read the descrip.

The benefit gained from being able to go from zero to 5 energy faster is not outweighed by the loss of strength and weapon runes, along with survivability. Max energy is not even a consideration with this bug.

Edit: Hanuman, try it out, then come back to us.

The spell doesn't end... that's the bug.

someone told me the spell only ends when you reach <0 energy which is impossible. if that was the case it aint bugged. but i read the description and changed my post to reflect.

The spell doesn't end SO he keeps on knocking you down. i was a W/E running it and at 1 energy and bam a knockdown and then again and again and again. I quit doing it since its sooo boring :.(

Hmm... 8 E/W Thunderclap team for tombs sounds like some fun...

Well I'm packing winter until they fix the bug, and if winter works out OK, bring it on.
I can except exploitation of bugs in tombs, because that is the realm of cheap cheese cutter builds and faction and fame farming. But in GvG it really stinks.

The bonus is not having to take glyph of lesser energy, and ability to cast another hex (preferably snare) in case case of hex breaker or holy veil. 12 swordsmanship does decent enough damage. Strength is not a huge bonus to damage.

I am the creator of the TC Ranger, though I know I wasn't the first person to find the bug. When I first created it I thought they had changed thunderclap and just forgot to change the description, at the time I was not aware that it was a bug. My theory behind it is that a knockdown lasts 2 secs and a shortbows attack time is 2 secs, thus constant knockdown. Even I belive it now needs to be fixed/nerfed because people are starting to copy my build so now the game is unbalanced. I hope they fix it swiftly, because frankly im getting bored of the monk pwning.

- Doux

To the people that are saying that Thunderclap needs a buff:
Make a new thread.

To the people that are saying that Thunderclap should stay bugged:
No.

To the people that for some reason think that I didn't know what I was talking about when I made this thread:
I did.

To the people that are abusing Thunderclap for faction:
Honestly, if I was a GM for this game, I would ban every one of you. In every game that I've ever played, including small, 20 person online RPG's, abusing a bug - especially before it was reported - would net you a ban, no matter how good a person you were or how much time/money you put into the game. If you want to take advantage of an unbalancing bug for your own profit and to the detriment of others, then all I can say (thanks to the forum language filter) is screw you.

To the people that suggested counters:
Thanks. I'll make sure to pack Winter until Anet gets on this.

just so yall know as monk in ca or ta the best way to survive vs "thunder wars" until the bug is fixed is CoP. With its very short cast, i can get rid of Tclap before i get knock-locked about 90% of the time. Its your best bet for surviving in arenas unless you have a really trustyworthy and alert ally.

IWAY and Trappers are not the bad guys. its the rank system, the prozors, leetzors and "/rank = skills" -zors



and abusing bugs and exploits = lame

i'd rather play an iway warrior than use cheap builds based on bugs to farm faction or fame.

play it fair.

sorry. kinda off topic.

good thing you are not lol

anyway isn't it against the eula to exploit bugs?, gw need to change that rule around, innocent ppl could be hurt from that using skills, if anet get trigger happy and start banning accounts.

Winter

Create a level 1-8 Spirit, all Elemental damage is Cold damage instead. This Spirit dies after 30-126 seconds.

they have to use lightnign dmg to set it off

Winter FTW

Just because you can stop it, and just because there is a counter, does NOT mean the skill is not broken.

The skill is broken and should be fixed. I don't know why some people have a problem with this idea.

broken = not working as it says it does
EoE is not doing any damage ever.
EoE = broken
Thunderclap is not ending when it should.
Thunderclap = broken.
Do you want EoE fixed and Thunderclap not? Then broken != broken.