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Originally Posted by salja Wachi
you are more than welcome to try out with my guild. messae me in game and we can talk more
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Casual players can't be good in pvp at this game, can they?
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If you've played a character to the end of the game(without gettings lots of free help from high level guildmates...) you're more than likely ready to take on PvP. You know your job, you know how to play it well, and once you learn one job you can handle the rest with ease. I started with an elementalist and progressed into monk and now warrior. I wouldn't really say any of these classes was any more difficult than the other.
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Originally Posted by nostra
Hi guys,
I came to GW because the game description pointed out that it did not require hours of leveling and farming, but was mainly a matter of playing skills. Now, I think I missed to identify the real problem: sure, I can get an ascended character and gear quickly, but then I don't think that I can do well in pvp if I don't spend a lot of time playing, because a player who would play just a couple hours a week would not be aware of the new trends (air spike, smite, traps, all ranger, mass conditions, IWAY, health degen, etc.), how to counter them, and MOSTLY would not be famed enough to join good groups (or a good guild as well) and will thus end up with PUGs, which means dead meat. In other words, sure the leveling and farming are much shorter than in other games, but it still requires to put a lot of hours every week to do well in pvp. Show me I am wrong and I will be happy. nostra |
For what it's worth, my guild is mostly composed of casual players. Only a handful of guildies are hard beaten PvP players. Our team often include at least a couple of real pvp newbies (fame<1000) who haven't unlocked half the skills for their first character, and most of us are ranked 1-4. We often favor balanced groups which are different from the current trend of the week.
We held the Hall, we took the favor of the gods, we won our share of GvG, and we usually get decent winning streaks in the team arena. Nothing spectacular for an elite pvp player, but good-enough for a casual player.
We held the Hall, we took the favor of the gods, we won our share of GvG, and we usually get decent winning streaks in the team arena. Nothing spectacular for an elite pvp player, but good-enough for a casual player.
fame and no uas screwed the shit out of casual players, i was screwed because of this, by the time i finished all of pve and unlocked all the skills i needed tombs was loaded with rank 6 and i couldnt get into any groups, after 1 month of pugging and making about 1 fame every few hours i quit the game, if we had uas i couldve jumped into pvp right away and i wouldve been around rank 9 now.
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Originally Posted by Theos
Rank and fame are a farmable thing and mean utterly nothing...
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Not that I don't enjoy PvP, but I just haven't spent that much time on it. And I have to admit, it's been basically all random arenas - which is sweet, because any halfway decent player can do fine in them, unless you're level <15 and meet some twinkies in the ascalon/yak's bend arenas...
its no harder in this game than any game to get good and continue to play good. in any game, unless you ahve uncanny talent, you will get destroyed if you play unexperienced. in counterstrike for example, a skilled player (lets say Cal-i equals top guilds), they will shoot you so fast you wont be able to move before your dead. this game takes skill yes, but its not a "any chump can come and pwn people in random chaos game"
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I disagree, it takes a good experienced gamers mind to be good at PVP. That doesn't have to come from power gamers. I am a casual gamer and do very well in PVP.
Rank means nothing, it means about as much as Realm Points did in DAoC. Anyone can rack them up, doesn't mean it took a lot of skill to do it.
It takes everyone in the team to know their character, know their team, and know how to make each work together.
Rank means nothing, it means about as much as Realm Points did in DAoC. Anyone can rack them up, doesn't mean it took a lot of skill to do it.
It takes everyone in the team to know their character, know their team, and know how to make each work together.
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Originally Posted by nostra
Hi guys,
I came to GW because the game description pointed out that it did not require hours of leveling and farming, but was mainly a matter of playing skills. Now, I think I missed to identify the real problem: sure, I can get an ascended character and gear quickly, but then I don't think that I can do well in pvp if I don't spend a lot of time playing, because a player who would play just a couple hours a week would not be aware of the new trends (air spike, smite, traps, all ranger, mass conditions, IWAY, health degen, etc.), how to counter them, and MOSTLY would not be famed enough to join good groups (or a good guild as well) and will thus end up with PUGs, which means dead meat. In other words, sure the leveling and farming are much shorter than in other games, but it still requires to put a lot of hours every week to do well in pvp. Show me I am wrong and I will be happy. nostra |
unfortunately you're right, the marketting is a lie. the community called the company on it for months but it was a losing battle basically. they added faction to "acquire" stuff via pvp, but the rates are never going to be inline with making the game based on your personal skill... there will always be a very steep path to be one of the PVP "haves". because the whole thing is so annoying and fraught with PR mind benders from Anet, and psychotic pve fans who will flame any and every thread not about pve, I recommend you forget about it, and let it go.
I dabble in the single player now, when I feel like it, but accept the fact the game was made by liars and the pvp IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE, AS IT HAS BEEN FOR MONTHS, a serious grind, and non level playing field.
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Originally Posted by IlikeGW
unfortunately you're right, the marketting is a lie. the community called the company on it for months but it was a losing battle basically. they added faction to "acquire" stuff via pvp, but the rates are never going to be inline with making the game based on your personal skill... there will always be a very steep path to be one of the PVP "haves". because the whole thing is so annoying and fraught with PR mind benders from Anet, and psychotic pve fans who will flame any and every thread not about pve, I recommend you forget about it, and let it go.
I dabble in the single player now, when I feel like it, but accept the fact the game was made by liars and the pvp IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE, AS IT HAS BEEN FOR MONTHS, a serious grind, and non level playing field. |
Even all things being equal someone would manage to complain about something being unfair...it's a vicious circle. ...and yet at the end of the day you guys are still playing.