What's up with Natures renewal

Not the skill the guild. They must have won 20-30 HoH's this weekend.

They've gotta be doing something right.

they're exploiting the fact that 90% of the people playing this game have no idea what they are doing. It's a spirit spamming team and only a select few people have come up with a counter build for spirit spammers....they win because the majority of the community is convinced there is no counter for builds based around NR

algren is right. i never go into tombs unless i have a counter for SS teams.

and yes i do have a great counter that i have kind of posted here but not in full. suffice it to say it takes a while and you have to have patience but with the right build you can lay waste to SS teams. then all you see in local chat is WTF??? OMG we lost etc

it is a joy to watch

You can lay waste to spirit spammers but they won every match they played?

And the reason is that everyone is stupid.

I'm just getting this straight. It's hard for me to understand because I'm too stupid to understand.

ok. Nature Renewal is a spirit that strips enchantments and causes casters to need twice as much time to cast....essentially it removes enchantments from the field of battle. Most of the community views this as overpowered(because the majority of builds are designed around enchantments) and wants to Nerf said skill to hell until it is useless(like the ranger is supposed to be). And instead of spending their time online trying to come up with a valid counter build for the Spirit Spamming teams they sit on forums bitching about how it needs to be nerfed. Spirit Spammer teams continue to dominate the Hall because only a select few players have thought of counter builds for it....and they aren't sharing.

on a side note...yes I agree Nature Renewal *APPEARS* overpowered and I wouldn't give a damn if it was nerfed or not...other than the fact that the community seems to call for a nerf for any build they can't counter with any 8 random skills.

not sure if this was in response to my post but obviously that SS team did not run into any teams with the proper counter. SS teams can be beaten.

I'm not saying they can't be beaten.

I was posting to try and get some insight into why that particular guild was winning so much.

After reading the responses I got a bit offended. I don't think there's any build that's a simple counter the way there's a counter for other builds. That's because to be a spirit build you only need 1 ranger.

You could be a totally balanced group with 1 ranger to spam natures renewal and Fertile season. The counter to that is to have a build that isn't as affected by nature's renewal and fertile season as much. It's not like you're crushing them no matter what build you have.

I wasn't trying to restart this whole discussion but rather to try to get some insight into what their build was made up of but it's kind of convincing proof that they won over and over and over again this weekend.

1 ranger can't spam Nature Renewal. it has a 5 second cast time and a 60 second recharge time. If you're dropping 1 every minute that's not exactly spamming. Take out the NR then take out the ranger...its not difficult.

Spirit Spammer groups become a problem when you have multiple rangers. 3 rangers could effectively spam Nature Renewal...this is where you need to come up with a build. I've come up with 2 and I've talked to other people that have come up with a couple. I believe Salja has 1. So that's 4 or 5 different counter builds for spirit spammers.

it's not that they are doing something right...it's that all of their opponents are doing something wrong.

they won over and over because obviously people have not realized they must brings counters to it in tombs if they want to win i already gave half the strategy here bring EoE and start killing spirits. they fall pretty fast. after that you kill the spammer. and keep him dead. the people that play really need to start thinking rather then nerfing everything.

i have never played in a spamming group and never will. but i will ocntinue to try and find counters to every build that comes along. some are more difficult than others but that is what makes the game a fun challenge

You have no idea what you are talking about. When you look at discussions about NR and why and how it needs to be changes you should conclude that no one wants NR to be useless (only a few retards maybe, but they don't count).]

If a skill needs to be changed, that doesn't mean it's useless afterwards.

how is NR not balanced? Does it remove enchantments and double casting time for only 1 team and not the other? Maybe it's my lack of intelligence or my thick skull....but last I checked it stripped enchantments on anything in the area...that seems pretty balanced to me. People just don't want to have to deal with it so they'd rather ArenaNet nerfed it to the point that nobody would use it.

lol. At least they're honest.

"Nature's Renewal has won the Hall of Heroes..."

Yeah, NR is not "unbalanced," if you design a build that doesn't rely on enchantments, you have an advantage already because they have people who spam stuff that doesn't hurt you. However, there are a lot of arguments that it reduces variety in the game. And if we want a game to be interesting and replayable, then it needs to be modified so some other skills and strategies can be more usable.

Hi! My name is Oath Shot.

as soon as spirit spamming teams start getting beaten on a regular basis they will stop using them. NO NERFING REQUIRED!!!!


just beat them and taht build will disappear.

that is how you balance the game by pl;aying not by nerfing

It's more griefing than it is good.

For one thing, make spirits spirits... Not solid building blocks for walls and other annoying hinderances.

oath shot can be used againt you as well as for you

opposing teams can use it too you know :P

Hi Oath Shot, welcome to guild wars guru. Around here we bitch and moan about builds we can't beat because it's easier to get the build nerf to hell than it is to figure out a counter. join in!

Then a lot of people aren't thinking very hard.

Here's a ponderance for you. A Spam team has one or more Rangers crapping out NR and other spirits, then plinking away with Oath Shot. The spirits affect both teams equally.

What are the rest of the Spammer Rangers' teammates doing? How are _their_ builds set up? How do they operate effectively in an Enchantment-and-Hex-free environment?

Because if you set _your team's_ builds up the same way, banking on the likelihood that an opponent will be spamming NR, it works out like this:

Your team: Eight combat-ready members.
Their team: Five or six combat-ready members, plus two or three Rangers not doing much besides crapping spirits.

Shouldn't you have a clear advantage in this situation, particularly if you go after the non-Rangers first? The Spirits are mostly harmless in and of themselves, and if opponents want to have one or more slots dedicated to spamming them instead of being capable of doing much damage, isn't that a good thing if you're prepared for it?

Enemies use NR because it works. Why does it work? Because people persist in bringing builds that rely heavily on Enchantments and Hexes to Tombs. If you know that NR is going to be present, why not bring builds that work well under NR and let the opponent do the work of spamming it, using up a team slot or two in doing so?

And when more teams start doing this and NR spammers start losing regularly, the build's popularity will dwindle and people will move onto the next flavor-of-the-month.

I wouldn't count on that. People still actively run ele spike groups :P