(Rant warning) F the bandwagon monks.

one word: hypocrite

You comdemn it, yet you did it "way before everyone else" (as if people would believe that. At best it would be way before 50% of people did it).
Seems to me its ok for u to enjoy this "problem" while no one knows about it. When they know about it you want it to end it. The world doesn't work always to give you the upper hand. This is hipocrisy to the extreme.

Real funny how you're trying to defend yourself by contradicting yourself here. Experimenting? LMAO. Read your previous post. "i've been a monk forever, and I was soloing before the 105 went public and EVERYONE and thier F'ing brother made monks"
You've been soloing before. That means you have been soloing for a long long time. Or "experimenting" for a long time LOL. You didnt say "I soloed before" or "I experimented before". Still "abuse of a broken skill". ANd i bet you still do it. Hypocrite and liar. Tell more lies to contradict yourself and to not sound like a hypocrite. You just burn yourself.

i dont know why u want to seperate the pve chars from battling the pvp chars in the arena and tombs, the 4th slot is left for the pvp char and rest 3 slots do watever you want, use pvp chars they dont need "grind" and all this stupid amount of time to gather plat and all that crap.


fissure armor suck.

anet wont nerf it.they have said they have nothing against honest farmers.and if they were youd think they wouldve done it by now.

I went to do riverside today. I was the only non mo/w there. If that doesn't tell you something is wrong, I don't know what will get through your thick heads.

Quick question for any rule junky here, does abusing other people's points to make fun of them count as a personal attack?

Forgive me, but I find it hard to believe you were the only non-monk in a district. Not only that but the entire place was filled with mo/w?

Actually, I was a monk/n

I wouldn't believe me either to tell the truth but it happened. well, technically there were about five non-monks but I'm prone to exaggeration every now and then. :P

No offense but exaggerated posts like that don't really help the matter. This whole 105/55 matter is a powderkeg. When, not if, Anet changes protective bond, this thread will be a small taste of the outcry. Just look at how heated it is right now.

Completely true, but having five to six non mo/ws in a district is still pretty bad. Its worse than THK groups in the first couple weeks after release with the strong excess of w/mos.

Do free maguuma stade runs for half an hour and count the amount of mo/ws. Maguuma stade is where you get protective bond.

Just go to henge d1, and count the Mo/W asking for runs, or go to Maguuma and count them. Or even better go to UW/Riverside/Droks and count them. You will be unpleasantly surprised by the number. And the sad thing is... the real monks are slowly becoming even more scarse then at release.

Great! another reason I'm starting to think I should not have a monk. I got mine.. probably just before the solo-monking stage appeared. I'm fairly new to this game or any online game for that matter, and as such, tend to have a low self-esteem, and now to hear, that appart from people wanting a monk with elite skills, and someone they can pick on when they die... now monks are generally not liked anymore, and anyone with a monk must have one of the farming monks..

People, get over it! So some farm, let them do that if they want, and get back to enjoying the game.

way to contribute nothing but personal attacks and the same garbage i've had to defend myself half a dozen times from those who are so damn afraid that I've got more money/items than them and that they wont be able to "catch up". You know nothing about me but you make a post to attack me, why? Because of the terror you feel when you think you might not be able to get fake riches you think I have. So, you dont believe me, ok, duly noted, NEXT?

Besides that, way to only take what you want out of any of my post. I've heard of selective hearing but half the people who want to attack me are guilty of selective reading. I clearly remember tellin folks about how I had ALOT more fun with the 5 man group I hung out with than I ever did soloing. I've spent more time playing my alternate characters than anything else so no i've not enjoyed soloing and trying to ensure that I've got some kind of fake wealth advantage over anyone. If you cared to actually read the thread you'd know it has nothing to do with money. The simple fact is that the skill is broken and exploited all to hell by the monkroaches, and needs to be fixed. Don't belive me? Fine, I dont care, but try to post on topic ok, were not talking about me, were talking about broken ass protbond.

wow, Jealousy is a stinky cologne isn't it. How terrified are you that I'm rich because I've (according to you, who know nothing about me) been soloing forever lmao and that you wont have something you think i've got? The funniest bit is that i've probably been able to solo WAY longer than you and yet because of the fact that I think its about as fun as watchin paint dry I've probably got less money than you. And guess what? I'm fine with that! I dont need to compare what I've got to what you've got to enjoy playing the game. So maybe if you were saying what I was saying, you'd be a hypocrite, but really, we're not here to talk about me or you. This thread is to highlight for Anet the fact that Prot Bond is broken, and that the problem is exascerbated by the fact that Anet doesnt provided any incentive to group, oh and probably further exaggerated by hotheaded kids like you seem to make yourself out to be making PuGs a joke... Next time try to talk about the topic instead of making your entire contribution an attack on me.

The difference is a matter of how you view your characters, some of us like to play the roleplaying game as a roleplaying game instead of purely as a means of unlocking pvp skills. Maybe you wont understand this, but we like to value our characters instead of deleting them every 30 seconds to rebuild. The relative inflexability of of PvE characters by comparison to pvp "characters" (maybe builds would be more accurate) is a disadvantage in competitive play. The best way to give everyone some semblance of what they want is to give the UAS whiners what they want so they can get out of the roleplaying game and stop crying about the so-called grind in this game long enough for Anet to be able to add content. But if youre going to unlock all skills thats only going to exaggerate the advantage that pvp-only builds already have in competitive play. So if Anet does the right thing and institutes UAS so that the FPS crowd can get out of my roleplaying game, they need to seperate those two experiences. Those are my thoughts, I hope I've crystalized them for you. Kindly PM me if you want to continue this conversation about pve/pvp because thats not what this thread is about. This thread is about the fact that Prot Bond is broken and exploited and needs to be fixed.

Who cares about people farming.

If ANet decides to continue nerfing PvE and Monk skills, instead of fixing Faction or PvP, then it shows how much they care about the game.

PvE doesnt influence PvP all that much. I mean, "Oh look, this guy had FoW armor which has exact same stats, but hes gonna own me now because he could farm!!!!11" or "Holy shit, that dudes golden axe has stats as my PvP axe, but damn, hes gonna pwn me since its so powerful."

Who cares about money, since it gives almost no advantage in the game. Ok, sure, you can get a shitty looking armor with same stats for 100x the cost, or buy a gold weapon and at best it has same stats as PvP items. None of this gives you any advantage. On the contrary, what are the odds someone will find a 15% > 50% weapon? I can make a PvP char and get it automatically.

Everyone who is bitching about the skill being overpowered, just shut up, its not. Degen, Stripping, Life Drains, all own this build. Thats more than 1 counter to a skill, thats 3. Now while you are contemplating that, tell me how many counters NR has.

LOL...you fail to understand people's posts when they attack you. Try to be the smart person you try to look like when you make these posts. If protective bond was "broken" Anet would have already fixed it.

I may not know you but believe me or not, your posts already give us an idea of your type. I dont have to know you in person or anything like that to read the contradictions leading to hipocrisy behind your posts.

"damn afraid that you have more money"? lol...where did you get that from? try to not base your arguments on assumptions, rather base them on facts. I couldnt care less about being rich in a virtual world or not, unlike you.

These "attack" posts mean that you are just on a personal and emotional battle against what you believe is a problem. And frankly, just because you are crying and babbling about it doesnt make it a problem.

Congratz on your assumptions. Who said i soloed with a monk? Who said im rich? Again, try to not base your arguments on assumptions, rather base them on facts. If you have to invent stuff to actually be able to argue back, save urself the trouble and dont argue.

And why do you care if people are farming like hell??? Even if it was "broken", why do you care? Let them farm, let them "spoil" the game for themselves. Obviously this about something more than just wanting to FIX A BUG. Go play with your cool little groups you say you play and let the farmers do what they want. It's not like they are preventing you from having fun.
Really man, CONGRATULATIONS that you have more fun playing in groups. CONGRATULATIONS that you do not enjoy soloing. Some people enjoy soloing. You have your concept of "fun" and others may not share your same concept. Dont act like a kid who wants everyone to agree with him and cant stand being opposed. Go have your fun and let other people have their fun too. If you are so worried about it, as I said, there is something more about your ranting than just fixing a bug.
Just look at your first post. Sounds like a little kid who cant control his emotions. And before you answer the same crap you've been answering to everyone who doesnt agree with you, like "get to the topic", this post means protective bond is not broken. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

so true

From the way you structured this post and how you reacted to it, it seems to me like the OP hit you right on the head with their post. Also you are more of the child, you bring up points that have been stated, you show no proof or evidence to dismiss why a skill is unborken, you just call it that and believe what you say. The world does not revolve around you.

The answers that were provided were all constructive and well placed, they were not rants that simply attacked people, as you have been doing. Perhaps the OP attacked you, but you were quite the arrogant sob in your first post, and perhaps it was a called reaction. Also about the assumptions... read your own original post you assumed far more than the OP did, so do shut up.

Spoiling transfers over to others, again the economy or the fact that the only monks left in the game (minus a few steadfast true monks) are kids who jumped on a bandwagon and started farming. Sure you can say what economy, but the actions of farming in that great of manner and in UW (of all places) will make fixing the economy even harder. So good job to you, you clearly care about the game.

Onto another note:
I have no problem with realistic farming, but the 105/55 is not realistic farming, it is children thinking they are gods. I got the pleasure of meeting such a jack ass in UW today, he said he was a healer monk, but to my displeasure he was another one of the 105/55 monks, he started showing off like some idiot, so what did we do? We let him have his fun, ignored him completly, let him ruin the first part of UW and constantly b*tch to go to smites, thankfully(and finally) someone dropped NR, and we lost a useless monk. If this isn't a serious problem do answer to me, what is then. These piece of crap "uber/broken" monks ruin UW for people who don't want to see some kid show off by tanking 5 aatxe and ruin any idea of challenge in the early goings.

As I stated I have no problem with realistic farming, go make a nice build and farm things, but why the heck do you need to be invicible on an obviously broken skill? I doubt that Anet intended it to be there, if you look at the math for Prot Bond the way it was written I doubt it was meant to go to 1 energy, but the only problem is to really change the math you would make the skill extremly expensive at start to keep it balanced at 17, I doubt anet invisioned people abusing this slight flaw in mathematics. The easiest fix would be to simply make a cap to energy cost, so instead of continuing the mathematical equation at 16-17 it should simply cap at an editable assymptote, this will solve the problems. (I was looking at the data via graphing)

lol get it thru my head? Prot bond is broken. The 105 build is an exploit, and the argument that its not because anet hasnt gotten around to fixing it yet is a weak and sad argument. When, not if, Prot bond is fixed then what happens to that argument.

try reading my posts again, where did I say you were rich? Where did I say you were a monk? But its cool for you to talk about my assumptions ROFL. You did rather make a personal attack thread that accused me of trying to take advantage of the broken skill/exploit, and then shutting off everyone else... way to make your own assumptions.

Listen, I understand that you cant understand what I'm trying to say here. But really kid, continually attacking me does not prove that prot bond is not broken. You didnt say one thing about prot bond or its use in your last two posts, all you did was call me names and insult me. I've said it once, heres the second time, this thread is not about me or you. This thread is about broked/exploited prot bond, so if your comments are not going to actually support why you think its not broken beyond attempts at insulting me I'd ask you to stop trolling. If you insist on asserting your assumptions, and insist on having an arugmen about things I never said (that you were rich, that you were a monk) then I'd ask you take it to Pm and let this thread be what it is, a conversation about a broken skill.

Lets just take out that nerf bat and start beating on everything that people "consider" a broken skill. Sure, lets make is 3 Energy at 17, and hell, make is 5 at 12 Prot, then lets start beating NR and making it only increase the cast times, and then we fix Ether Renwel so it only gives up to 10 max energy, and then we cant start beating on othert things as well.

The skills you mentioned have already been talked about in great detail, people already would like a nerf on those skills... who why bring them up? Does it solidify your point by showing how people agree that those skills need nerfing? Somehow... I doubt it.

Life stealing, poison, phantasm, life syphon, burn, disease, plenty of other necro spells that ignore armour, backfire (would kill one instantly , phantom pain, hell I can't remember all the names of these skills that can break through it easily. Any degen that can nullify the +6 regen can make those 1-2dmg hits add up. There are also plenty of skills from mesmers and necros that ignore armour completely. Removing the enchantment is only the most obvious and easiest way to counter it.

And Manacraft, I completely agree with you. At the moment, soloing the UW is really the only viable way to effectively collect the peices for this armour. If it is to be nerfed or made more impossible to solo your way through this, it should be done AFTER something has been done about making other ways viable, such as you said, better rewards for teams. Maybe say if the enemy drops a rare item, it drops a rare item for each member of the team (probably not the best way to go about it, but it's a start).

That would also allow people to help each other out, say a bunch of friendly people go in, if an ecto drops for the team, it may be agreed that the one person gets all that ecto (talking guild situation here). So say 3 drops per run (which is a standard for me) and the person is just under a quater of the way there. For everyone else with pugs, if an ecto drops, everyone gets one so everyone gets about 3 ecto per run instead of 3 ecto dropping to share amoungst the party.

Point taken. I showed no proofs protective bond is broken. Also, point taken too that you are against me because obviously you share the same view as the OP. Wonder why...
My point wasnt really to prove protective bond is broken. It may be broken. But my point is why you guys care so much about it and why Elistan takes it so personally even though he used to do it. As i said i read a contradiction in his post. That's a fact. Want to ignore it? Fine with me...ill ignore you.
I just dont like hipocrisy, dont really care about protective bond.

I assumed more than the op?? Sure i did...Believe what you will. I dont really like talking to biased people you know. So ill just ignore the bias.

Btw...did you say just monks left in the game? Thats quite funny. As someone already said here, exaggerations dont really help here. But i can understand why you would exxagerate to prove your point. And really man...All your points are exaggerated. And again...you miss the point of about the argument saying "what economy". There is no economy...It doesnt really affect "economy" in any great way. This is a virtual economy.
All this does is make some items cheaper, which makes the game more fun to most people. And i believe a game is about fun. This doesnt ruin the "economy", this just changes it into a new "economy".

And about your personal anecdote. Yes...there are idiots and they are not just solo monks. Ive encountered many idiots and no soloer monk who is an idiot. I bet you also found idiots who werent solo monks, but you obviously chose not to include in it for obvious reasons.

oh my...read your posts again lol...try to find the implications/assumptions you made. Im sure you can find them. And try to see logically that my assumptions are not assumptions. I wont argue anymore if you dont read my posts right. As you said, take it to pm.