Why is ascension the benchmark of success?

I'll agree that it's a pain in the butt to ascend, but I wouldn't say it's much of an accomplishment. All you have to do is run or join a group to go around the desert to all the missions. Then, you find a group that's competent. I (luckily) completed it quickly my first time. As a R/W melee, it was incredibly easy to kill my doppelganger. Got the bonus on the first try.

The monk was a bit more difficult, but I figured out all I had to do was take out some skills and leave some blanks. Ascension felt like all of the other missions did... lots of tedium. Thirsty River was surprisingly interesting with the PvP elements.

But I digress. Ascension is not a big deal at all.

Ahh glitch on my web browser, did not mean to double post

Agree with you

But was editing before you respondes.

You have the right to fight for your server, you should have the right to the reward Fow/Uw.

Ascension is the first major benchmark of success because the game was created so that ascension is the first major benchmark of success. Simple as that.

Nice post. Don't tell me to get a grip.

He mentions his fatherhood and his 16 + 18 year old daughters being mature. I think that definitely implies that he's calling us all immature.

I was talking about his post after that (that is why "post is singular").

And I don't think he's calling us all immature. I think he was talking about the immature posts made by some , however.

Get an Axe Grip of Shut Your Mouth.

Your flame is subtley hidden. I congratulate you. Your lightning wit is obviously of higher caliber than mine and of more maturity.

Please all of you "mature" people. Get off your high horses and stop getting your jollies off on calling everybody immature. I could fling "immature" at you for doing that and you can fling "immature" at me for doing this. I think it's better we avoid the whole maturity insult because nobody seems to be in the right or the wrong.

Because I disagree with somebody and oppose them I should shut my mouth? Or maybe it's because I disagree with you.

I won't ask you to respect my opinion but I'll ask you to not flame just because you don't like it.

I don't recall that we disagreed about a thing actually. I simply recall your comment was asinine and had no purpose save the same one below here.

I sense a troll in the forest.

My comment was to express my distaste for people accusing each other of being immature.

Thank you for the ign. I'll add you to my ignore list and I hope we never meet ingame.

Actually, I wasn't talking about your post. I was referring to people who have to have everything their way or they whine like hell.

Perhaps I worded my post in a bad way

Thanks for saving me the trouble of doing it on my end. The post you "attacked" was not calling anyone in particular 'immature'. It was saying his own children have maturity, unlike other people. They fact you took issue with that non-aimed comment says more than your COMMENT did. If the shoe fits, buy an extra pair for summer

hmmm "Extreme Imperfection" you say, wow that must be REALLY bad.

Does the game not work at all?

Do the servers crash on a regular basis?

Does the video and graphics only work on a monochrome screen?

Does your character, money and equipment disapear everytime you log off?

or by "Extreme Imperfection" do you mean that there are some aspects of the game play that does not fit to your personal preferences?

See I am not defending Anet or the game for that matter my argument was about the unrealistic expectations of some people made around a product that's SOLE purpose is to entertain. As usual though people like yourself are SO self-centered that it ALWAYS has to be about you and your "end of the world" view of the problems the game has in your opinion.

I'll take it one step further, statements like "Extreme Imperfection" are used by Lawyers to describe the hairline crack in a bolt that held the tail section of a DC-10 aircraft together and then broke in two which led to the death of 100 people but I'm sure you consider the issue you may have with Guild Wars jsut as important.

Yes I do. I am self centered and I want Guild Wars to improve. I'm not ashamed of admitting that I want it to be better. Dumping fifty dollars into something and not expecting anything is illogical.

Wanting things and wanting to get ahead hold negative connotations. I'm sure you've realized (from all of your years of experience) that the world is not kind to those that are "moral" and "virtuous". The people that get ahead are self centered. I want to get ahead.

For me, success is getting to Ring of Fire and capping Elemental Attunement, or Life Transfer. I know usually when I pick up a group in RoF -- for now -- that the people know fairly well what they are doing. Thunderhead keeps those idiot Droknar rushee's (at least, the ignorant ones who haven't beaten the game without a rush at least once) from getting into my Ring of Fire. At least I don't have to worry about seeing spells like Amity in the Ascalon/Yak's bend Arenas. And you can't run to the RoF. So for me, the "benchmark" is getting to RoF.

The next benchmark? Experience. To make a point (and not to brag), my Ele has 600k+ experience, and my Monk has 900k (due in part to farming, so that makes it invalid). I would like to see the little emotes like /rank implemented for experience too. Surely someone with 1.5M experience has SOME idea what they are doing.

Finally, the obtaining of all skills for your class (including elites). If you are able to get all skills and elites, you've managed to do something reasonably right. Gimme an emote for that too. People use Rank in PvP as status. I play PvE mostly. I deserve status, too, for my work.

So god damnit, give me status.

Which is indicative of the antithesis of "moral" and "virtuous" - getting ahead, whatever the means.



This thread is dying slowly but surely. No, wait, I simply missed it's horrid death.

Whatever you like.

As I said before, Ascension is not the best benchmark because it is not difficult. It takes a decent group and a bit of memorization (same old area over and over). It's hard to have any sort of benchmark for the individual because so much depends on the team. Maybe you were ascended by some strong friends or guildmates, or maybe you couldn't ascend because all your groups were bad. The same I think holds true for PvP. People want rank 3 or rank 6 and above but how can anybody reach those ranks? It takes an incredible amount of fame. I'm hard pressed to get so much fame because it is very dependent on the group you are in. The already rank 3/6 and above form teams to mash the low ranking players. Low ranking players gain no fame while high ranking ones gain more.

I think the only way to have a valid benchmark is to tie a /rank type command to some sort of individual task, that tests the merits of a single player. I have no idea how it would work but I believe that is the only accurate way to do it. Otherwise, it depends too heavily on the grouping.

Being slef-centered and having self-confidence are two different things and I am confident and I am successful and I am not self-centered. Movie stars, pro-athletes and ploiticians are self-centered so you are in a real quality group there.

There are certain things I'm willing to do for more. Criticize me all you want. I still have yet to see what my decisions will be in the future (obviously) and whether they will be self centered or selfless. Perhaps you insult the quality of the rich and famous because you are jealous or bitter.

This is Guild Wars. As many people like to argue, it's just a game isn't it?