Price increases and you....

accually its nothing to do with the farmers. its the merchants that are the problem. they charge 900g for an item and will only buy it from you for 50g.

the merchants are not keeping up with the current price so no one sells to merchants to bring the prices back down.

i posted about the merchant system over a month ago around the time it was implemented. i told everyone how it will be abused.

i used the example of d2 from a guy i know named bterrill. if you know anything about d2 you know that name. bterrill can make or break the market for d2. he started hording the skill charms from everyone. buying them up left and right. then about 2 weeks later boom the market was dry. no one could get them or make them fast enough to supply the market. he waited another week and inflated the prices and sold them all off in a few days. week later prices where back down.

when you buy from the merchant the price for the item goes up. say you buy one particular item raising the price. now just wait a few days as the market becomes drier and let the merchants inflate the price for you. now resell them to players once the price peaks for that item. all the items you bought at lower prices are now worth more netting you a profit for each one you sell except the last one.

the only way this can be abused is because the merchants don't buy the items from you at the prices that players will. so i can single handedly control the market for an item just by sinking a few 100k into that same item and play a waiting game.

I have no intention of farming or soloing the UW and am really upset about this superior rune situation with my new healing monk. All of my previous characters equip at least one superior and my N/Mo20 carries two, using items/spells and a backup piece of armor with a minor instead to deal with the extra health loss. There are other reasons for equiping superiors besides being a farmer or purposefully lowering one's health.

In my case, I use them specifically to save attribute points... one superior that boosts an attribute from 9 to 12 saves approximately 50 attribute points that can be placed into another attribute instead. This is really helpful for those who use a secondary attribute a lot, like beast mastery, illusion magic or a weapon specialty. Two superiors saves over 100 points, which imho is more than worth the extra health loss on a high level character.

And needless to say, it's impossible to get a single attribute to 16 permanently without a superior. So though you may think they aren't necessary, they are to me... whatever class I play in PvE, I want it to be the most effective and well-rounded it can be.

So to all of you "105 farmers" who keep telling the rest of us non-farmers that "superiors aren't necessary," well here's an idea... why don't you just dump them in the trash or give them away... no? Oh right, that's because you need them, either for your build or to make gold...

Stupid people are impatient. They want something now now now.
Lets take this example. Black dyes i'd say are MAXimum worth of 10K. I'd never EVER buy one for more than that. I'd rather wait a whole month than to pay say 20K for it.

So those who hoard and buy off the trader etc, they aren't going to make a buck off me. Because i'd rather wait for the prices to come back down, than buy it for 20K.

The only problem here is that, there are alot of idiots out there that are clearly giving into these hoardings. Your Diablo 2 example.
I bet if people were patient, the skill charms would eventually come back to supply, since the hoarder will run out of money that way. But no, people are impatient and want something now now now.

Being patient does pay off.
Just yestaday i saw a guy selling them for 7K each. But im sure hes a bot - but anyway. I brought like 7 of them.
Of course I ain't going to use it. Since i know people are so impatient, i'll just wait for the price to sky rocket, then i'll make a profit.

But point here is that, people are so impatient, that the hoarders win.

This is getting serios... Today in Droknar's Forge everyone was at the rune trader to buy major vigors at 129 gp!!! Of course I bought my own too.

I also just thought of something there. How can someone have that much items to break a market?

In D2 gold is useless, so the perfect skill charms must have been traded for runes or an soj. There's like 40 spaces on the character inventory, and probably 40 in the vault. Giving 80 spaces per character. Maximum 8 characters, so 640 runes(Ko's etc) or SOJs.... How can someone have that much?

I honestly don't think a single person could have that much wealth, to hoard off the entire American Population of D2 players. Unless he cheated.

Unless he had multiple accounts.

I see prot bond becoming NERF`D soon..

(can you say 10 sec duration O_O!)

The only thing I can ask is if you've ever even played Diablo. If you have, you would know you can make more than one account. You also fail to realise that the player could keep a hoarde of ists on one account. Considering that when I stopped playing, close to perfect life GC's expensive GC's such as Combat were going for 20-40 ists, he could easily hoarde.

Another example of this is someone named sun-god. he hoarded runes, especially high runes, and threatened to trash the economy. He had hundreds, maybe even thousands, and through his actions the prices for high runes dropped from 2ist/um to 2ist and eventually to just ist/um.

But ultimately, there is nothing you can do to prevent this hoarding from happening. At least not from what I can see.

You claimed he was offering 113 gold for your major vigor. He offered me somewhere between 2-3k when he was selling at 6k, which was a good enough price for me to sell.

he makes a living off of d2. its his proffesion and he makes good money.

the point is people are buying from merchants to horde the item and making prices go up to sell to players just under merchants.

if anet thinks that reseting prices is going fix they are dead wrong. its only going to make it worse. when i can buy my sup runes at 120g and wait till the end of the day to make 35k off of each monk rune. that's going to make things worse

This is the problem. When people are selling to the trader, the trader's prices drop. But practically no one is selling to the trader, because the trader usually doesn't give you a a reasonable price. I check the trader offers a lot and once in a while you might get a decent offer (but still less than 50% of what the trader is selling for), but usually it's something ridiculous like 10% of what they sell at. So, few people are selling to the trader, but people keep buying from the trader for convenience - and prices keep going up.

Before they put in the "quote" system, the trader was offering a decent amount and people were selling items to the trader a lot. For instance, the trader sold a black dye for 5k but would offer you between 3.5k-4k for one. So more people were selling to the trader and keeping the price from getting out of hand. The price was still going up overall, but at a reasonable rate.

the main problem i see is that the system is not automated as anet states it is.

i've seen some items up to 900g for 10 and then go to sell 10 and its 30g. they reset the prices at merchants today for buying but if you notice selling to them the prices have not been reset. hides are at 150g but the merchant was buying them for 95g.

that leads me to believe that this isn't automated at all and doesn't adapt to market change. when prices get to high selling or buying they just reset them but they don't rest both at the same time.

on the contrary, US sales 2 million, Asia sales 22 million, Euro Sales 200,000.

And those figures are a month or so old.

The only thing about Hoarding is that. IT only works if the person decides to buy the stuff at the unrealistically high price.

Player A Hoards items
Player B Knows that an item is only worth 10K

Player A decides to sell his items for 20K
Player B doesn't want to wait and decides to buy the item at 20K

Here player B is a dumbass.

Point is, that if someone decides to Hoard items. He can only profit from it, if people decide to buy items at the unrealistically high price. Obvious in the D2 example, hoarding is working.
Therefore, the players are dumbasses, and thus, personally you deserve it.

The hoarding will stop once people stop buying at the ridiculously high prices.
But no... you players want now now now.

EDIT: I just saw black dye on the trader being sold at it's last price of 9270gp. Of course hes out of stock now.

Mrrrr, the biggest threat is that this prot monk build completely throws the game balance out of whack, if you want good money, make a prot monk o.O thats how the game is gonna be, heck i have even started seeing more monks now than when i first start the game and they were scarce.

to slightly help out the problem... just slightly

how they say its only -1 energy at 17 protection, just cap it at -2 so even with 17 your still getting -2 O.o I am sure it would help at least a little.

Yeah its ONE number difference, but to many people thats the same as the difference of 1 and a million.

Just to let everyone know as of yesterday.........

Wood was selling for 120g for 10 from trader.
To craft 10 wood in to 1 charcoal costs 200g at artisan.
10 charcoal was selling for 4k to the trader.

For those of you that dont know math you could make 1k for every 10 charcoal you made, so like, buy 500 wood, make 50 charcoal sell to trader for your money back and extra 5k, took like 4 mins round trip, longest part was buying the 500 wood.

Not anymore though, price has dropped back down to 1.5k, but, this just goes to show that if you keep an eye on the market you will spot things like this and will be able to cash in. (I check the prices of over 40 items every 5 hours, it only takes 10 mins and it's made me nearly 200k in the last few days).

This economy makes me sad as well.

Black Dye being sold for 75+ Plats. Want to know the offer I got from the trader? 1 Plat. Messed up, yes.
I still have that stupid black dye as well, haha.

It is time for a revolution about the price hike in everything.

LOL!!!! 75K.... HA HA HA... Yeah right. Sorry mate. But don't base your prices on a single dumbass seller. Black dyes are 20K at the unrealistic max.

Just a little over a month ago i was telling my friend, if he hoarded black dyes forever, the drops would increase all around, he told me i was insane, WELL WHOS CRAZY NOW