Expertise Ranger Attribute

Hi, I hope someone can enlighten me.

I'm a Ranger/Elementalist. Rangers have the primary attribute Expertise. Official documentation is a bit vague about the exact function of this attribute. They say it reduces the energy cost of "your skills". Does that also mean that it reduces the energy cost of all my skills, including my secondary Elementalist skills? Then it will become very interesting.

And I believe it also reduces skill recharge times and maybe other things? Maybe anyone here has a lot of experience with this vaguely documented attribute. I invested my attribute points mainly in Markmanship, Beast Mastery and Fire Magic.

There are "skills" "signets" "spells" and stuff like that... it states all attacks preperations and skills... Things like, Vampiric touch, or Lightning touch, state that they are "skills" and therefore, are not considered spells, and also wont be effected by things like backfire, obviously.

I know about the discrete jumps of reduction. But I want to know if Expertise also reduces the energy cost of my Fire Magic skills from my secondary Elementalist profession...

expertise does NOT effect spells and unless you want to waste over half your Ap on it, its pointless. My ranger does'nt bother to use it and works just fine.

Are pet skills like feral lunge affected by expertise? o.o.... it is a RANGER skill ya know.

I know its a attack skill but its a PET attack skill technically, so I am not sure.

Read the description of the Skill. It will usually say things like: Signet, Skill, Spell, Hex Spell etc.

well i have my expertise at 12 and it halfs costs off skills and when it comes to like 12.5 as half it goes down to 12 wich is great to have

I guess nobody knows the answer to my question, if expertise also affects the skills of a secondary profession?

It absolutely works on your secondary skills. To my knowledge expertise reduces the mana cost of everything. The exception would be signets, but they dont cost mana to begin with.

I know it reduces the energy cost of all of your Ranger skills, but in my experience, not any of the spells and such of your secondary class. Pet skills, attack skills, preparations, spirits, etc. are all affected by Expertise. I've yet to try it, but it might affect Warrior's attack skills as well...

Thanks for the replies guys. But your replies were completely contrary

expertise is basically mandatory for most rangers. its awesome, with a level of 10, thats 30% off most of your ranger skills, that makes 10 = 7, or 5 = 3. the higher the better and the expertise skills are awesome.

Expertise will affect attack skills from - for example - warrior secondary - but will not affect spell skills, such as 99% of elementalist skills.

Sorry - no low cost mojo for you.

I said it reduced the cost on "everything" I may have been overboard, I meant everything 'attack' I have never tried it with heals or such. Definately works with warrior skills though.

Aaah thanks, now it's starting to clear up. That would be very unfair if only certain secondary professions profit from Expertise. Talking about lousy and vague official documentation! They definitely should warn people for that beforehand. But isn't Elementalist also an attack profession? I mean Fire Magic seems to have many attack skills... I guess it depends on the definition of "attack skill".

Sigh. Read again:

If you read the description of a skill it will say: Hex Spell, Spell, Enchantment Spell, Skill, Elite Skill, Elite Spell, Attack Skill, etc.

All skills described as "Skills" are affected by expertise. This affects mostly Warrior and Ranger skills, but also a few other skills, e.g. Vampiric Touch (and most other touch skills).

Wow so I spend half my AP and can save a whole 2 or 3 energy which I could regen in a about second anyway. Seems pointless to me, hence why I don't use it. Would much rather put the points in something usefull. Like healing prayers if your a r/mo.

expertise is the most usefull of the ranger attributes....I for one would hate to spend 25 energy every time I wanted to drop a dust trap...so with my expertise boosted to max I spend half that. It costs me 4 energy to drop 10 energy skills...how you can not see that as being usefull is beyond me.

Please note that a ranger has an energy regeneration of 3 "pips", which means that 1 energy is generated per second. With an Expertise rank of 9, skills that cost 10 energy are reduced to 6, which means that you can perform almost twice as many skill atacks until you're out of energy, and after that you can perform your next skill attack 4 seconds earlier than without expertise. In the middle of a battle 4 seconds is an eternity.

Any good ranger in these forums will tell you that a high expertise (at least 9) is crucial for an effective ranger.