Has anyone seen a Cantha weapon with an unconditional damage modifier? I saw a Wammo in LA1 asking for bids on a "+15 Always UNCONDITIONAL Gothic Axe", but he wouldn't show it until he received 100k (yeah right).
Just curious, thanks.
Unconditional +15% Damage Weapons Yet?
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Originally Posted by krak harpie
Has anyone seen a Cantha weapon with an unconditional damage modifier? I saw a Wammo in LA1 asking for bids on a "+15 Always UNCONDITIONAL Gothic Axe", but he wouldn't show it until he received 100k (yeah right).
Just curious, thanks. They're quite easy to get in Cantha, but there's always an accompanying penalty, like constant -5 energy.
Just curious, thanks. They're quite easy to get in Cantha, but there's always an accompanying penalty, like constant -5 energy.
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....What he posted was "UNCONDITIONAL", meaning no condition. We know you can get ones with a condition, but he wants to know if there are UNCONDITIONAL ones.
These cannot drop. Anet removed that possibility almost as soon as it was first discovered. It happened because there was a Vampiric mod on a weapon with 15%/-1hp regen, they cancelled out one of the degens, so when you changed the mod to Sundering, for example, it removed the condition. Same thing happened with Zealous, and the -1 energy regen one.
These cannot drop. Anet removed that possibility almost as soon as it was first discovered. It happened because there was a Vampiric mod on a weapon with 15%/-1hp regen, they cancelled out one of the degens, so when you changed the mod to Sundering, for example, it removed the condition. Same thing happened with Zealous, and the -1 energy regen one.
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Originally Posted by talon
....What he posted was "UNCONDITIONAL", meaning no condition. We know you can get ones with a condition, but he wants to know if there are UNCONDITIONAL ones.
These cannot drop. Anet removed that possibility almost as soon as it was first discovered. It happened because there was a Vampiric mod on a weapon with 15%/-1hp regen, they cancelled out one of the degens, so when you changed the mod to Sundering, for example, it removed the condition. Same thing happened with Zealous, and the -1 energy regen one. To me 15% always, -5 energy is unconditional compared with say 15% when health is greater than 50% or when hexed or when enchanted cuz you always get the 15%.
These cannot drop. Anet removed that possibility almost as soon as it was first discovered. It happened because there was a Vampiric mod on a weapon with 15%/-1hp regen, they cancelled out one of the degens, so when you changed the mod to Sundering, for example, it removed the condition. Same thing happened with Zealous, and the -1 energy regen one. To me 15% always, -5 energy is unconditional compared with say 15% when health is greater than 50% or when hexed or when enchanted cuz you always get the 15%.
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Please ignore those narrow-minded peeps who cannot understand "unconditional" also means "absolute" or "always". So yes, you can get unconditionally 15% damage items in Cantha by crafting.
From Webster's dictionary:
Function: adjective
1 : not conditional or limited : ABSOLUTE, UNQUALIFIED <unconditional surrender>
Having the -5 to max energy does not in any way affect or limit the 15% damage bonus. This is unlike other items which are limited by the wielder being hexed or being enchanted.
From Webster's dictionary:
Function: adjective
1 : not conditional or limited : ABSOLUTE, UNQUALIFIED <unconditional surrender>
Having the -5 to max energy does not in any way affect or limit the 15% damage bonus. This is unlike other items which are limited by the wielder being hexed or being enchanted.
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Originally Posted by samifly
Unconditional weapons with no penalty (like -5,-10 armor -1 hp/energy degen, etc) only dropped in the betas, and dont drop any more.
Not true. They only dropped very soon after release, no longer available. The ones people had were never removed.
And it was with zealous. (@talon)
(@everyone who thinks they still drop) -5 energy is a condition. To get the 15% bonus you have to meet the condition of giving up 5 energy. The OP was clearly talking about ones with do drawbacks.
And it was with zealous. (@talon)
(@everyone who thinks they still drop) -5 energy is a condition. To get the 15% bonus you have to meet the condition of giving up 5 energy. The OP was clearly talking about ones with do drawbacks.
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Originally Posted by Mandy Memory
Not true. They only dropped very soon after release, no longer available. The ones people had were never removed.
And it was with zealous. (@talon)
(@everyone who thinks they still drop) -5 energy is a condition. To get the 15% bonus you have to meet the condition of giving up 5 energy. The OP was clearly talking about ones with do drawbacks. -5 energy is a penalty not a condition. That is why it's not in brackets like 15%(when health is above 50%) or (when enchanted).
It's just like when you use a superior rune with -75 health. The -75 health is a penalty, not a condition.
And it was with zealous. (@talon)
(@everyone who thinks they still drop) -5 energy is a condition. To get the 15% bonus you have to meet the condition of giving up 5 energy. The OP was clearly talking about ones with do drawbacks. -5 energy is a penalty not a condition. That is why it's not in brackets like 15%(when health is above 50%) or (when enchanted).
It's just like when you use a superior rune with -75 health. The -75 health is a penalty, not a condition.
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-5 IS a condition. Do you not understand what the term means? To get the bonus damage, you have a condition, and that is -5 energy, or -10 armor while attacking, or while your health is above 50%, etc etc. Some weapons have the damage Always, but with a condition, some are ONLY when you meet the condition.
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Originally Posted by Aërendil
please to the webster fan and others. We all can comprehend what we mean with the condition, right?
Judging by many of the replies, some people can't... or there wouldn't be any dispute.
Fully unconditional +damage weapons no longer drop. +15 Always weapons with penalties do, either the wammo was confused or scamming.
Fully unconditional +damage weapons no longer drop. +15 Always weapons with penalties do, either the wammo was confused or scamming.
its a [pretty darn stupid] semantic argument....
I think we all know what weapon mods are available, and what he meant when he said 'unconditional' +15% damage... whether oed agrees with the wording aside. I'm reaching for nails. whether you choose to call it a condition or a penalty, the stats are the same...
Gothic axes are fairly highly sought after for the skin, so good mods on one makes the prices jump. I'm a big fan of collectors myself (I've also never bought 15k armor *yet*) but I recognize that I'm a 'GW dumpster diver' heh...
I think we all know what weapon mods are available, and what he meant when he said 'unconditional' +15% damage... whether oed agrees with the wording aside. I'm reaching for nails. whether you choose to call it a condition or a penalty, the stats are the same...
Gothic axes are fairly highly sought after for the skin, so good mods on one makes the prices jump. I'm a big fan of collectors myself (I've also never bought 15k armor *yet*) but I recognize that I'm a 'GW dumpster diver' heh...
15% Unconditional weapons IN GUILD WARS refers to weapons with such stats as...
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Gothic Sword
Slashing Dmg: 15-22 (Requires 8 swordsmanship)
Damage +15%
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It's pointless to say one with -5 energy or -10 armor etc is unconditional because when people refer to it in this GAME it means no drawback, condition, penalty, whatever you would like to call it. guild wars players don't go to a dicitonary to refer to something in game.
~Hell
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Gothic Sword
Slashing Dmg: 15-22 (Requires 8 swordsmanship)
Damage +15%
________________________________________________ Only stats
It's pointless to say one with -5 energy or -10 armor etc is unconditional because when people refer to it in this GAME it means no drawback, condition, penalty, whatever you would like to call it. guild wars players don't go to a dicitonary to refer to something in game.
~Hell
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Originally Posted by MaglorD
Please ignore those narrow-minded peeps who cannot understand "unconditional" also means "absolute" or "always". So yes, you can get unconditionally 15% damage items in Cantha by crafting.
From Webster's dictionary:
Function: adjective
1 : not conditional or limited : ABSOLUTE, UNQUALIFIED <unconditional surrender>
Having the -5 to max energy does not in any way affect or limit the 15% damage bonus. This is unlike other items which are limited by the wielder being hexed or being enchanted. No, just be quiet.
We mean 15% always, with absolutely no condition. I.E unconditional. With no condition. Get it?
From Webster's dictionary:
Function: adjective
1 : not conditional or limited : ABSOLUTE, UNQUALIFIED <unconditional surrender>
Having the -5 to max energy does not in any way affect or limit the 15% damage bonus. This is unlike other items which are limited by the wielder being hexed or being enchanted. No, just be quiet.
We mean 15% always, with absolutely no condition. I.E unconditional. With no condition. Get it?
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Originally Posted by Haggard
No, just be quiet.
We mean 15% always, with absolutely no condition. I.E unconditional. With no condition. Get it? plz dont shush people, especially when what you are saying is either wrong, or u think in some lil picture
its not conditional, its with penalty ><
if i hypothetically have 0 energy and equip a -5 energy weap, id still have the bonus... if i am under 50%health and got a 15>50 weap, id lose the bonus..
conditional means one that triggers only on certain event, such as being under enchantment or >50%health or anything.. +15/-5 // +15/-10 is ALWAYS on, so its unconditional
i dunno why i even am replying to this weird thread..
We mean 15% always, with absolutely no condition. I.E unconditional. With no condition. Get it? plz dont shush people, especially when what you are saying is either wrong, or u think in some lil picture
its not conditional, its with penalty ><
if i hypothetically have 0 energy and equip a -5 energy weap, id still have the bonus... if i am under 50%health and got a 15>50 weap, id lose the bonus..
conditional means one that triggers only on certain event, such as being under enchantment or >50%health or anything.. +15/-5 // +15/-10 is ALWAYS on, so its unconditional
i dunno why i even am replying to this weird thread..
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Originally Posted by fb2000
plz dont shush people, especially when what you are saying is either wrong, or u think in some lil picture
its not conditional, its with penalty ><
if i hypothetically have 0 energy and equip a -5 energy weap, id still have the bonus... if i am under 50%health and got a 15>50 weap, id lose the bonus..
conditional means one that triggers only on certain event, such as being under enchantment or >50%health or anything.. +15/-5 // +15/-10 is ALWAYS on, so its unconditional
i dunno why i even am replying to this weird thread..
Sorry, you are wrong. It doesn't matter how righteous you think you are, you are still wrong. The -5 is a condition that constantly effects off your max energy, and is impossible to not meet. When people talk about unconditional in GW, they mean with no side-effect of the mod on the weapon. This is not a contestable linguistic fact, that is what people mean when they talk about unconditional damage weapons in Guild Wars.
Points made, no such thing anymore, thread needs to be closed, etcetc.
its not conditional, its with penalty ><
if i hypothetically have 0 energy and equip a -5 energy weap, id still have the bonus... if i am under 50%health and got a 15>50 weap, id lose the bonus..
conditional means one that triggers only on certain event, such as being under enchantment or >50%health or anything.. +15/-5 // +15/-10 is ALWAYS on, so its unconditional
i dunno why i even am replying to this weird thread..
Sorry, you are wrong. It doesn't matter how righteous you think you are, you are still wrong. The -5 is a condition that constantly effects off your max energy, and is impossible to not meet. When people talk about unconditional in GW, they mean with no side-effect of the mod on the weapon. This is not a contestable linguistic fact, that is what people mean when they talk about unconditional damage weapons in Guild Wars.
Points made, no such thing anymore, thread needs to be closed, etcetc.