Add %'s for individual areas

Pre-searing + Catacombs arent included in exploration! So if you were exploring pre-searing to include that in the cartographer title, you kind of wasted your time.

But that isnt your fault, you wouldnt have known when you first started, just as I didnt.

To help newbies, we dont need %s on areas. Instead we need the training areas to include training in exploration. Lessons about uncovering fog and hugging walls. A short quest to make you explore a small-ish area of land and once you do, you get a reward.

Have a short bit of text explaining that places like the catacombs and pre-searing dont count towards the title. That would be alot more helpfull at teaching people to explore.

Then we dont need % counts for set areas.

I 100% sympathise because ive been there and done it obviously. I know you've probably put a hole in your wall already from frustration.

But I personally have to stick to my belief that %s arent needed. Purely because I know it can be done. But I wish you all the best, and I hope you get that last 2%. You will feel on-top of the world once you do. You'l be dancing from the roof top and you'l be able to relax.

It'l be worth it.

/signed - I personally love this idea.

/signed

i like it

Since ANet seems to be devoting some resources to those that stay in presearing, Defender of Ascalon, Charr Bags, etc, perhaps this is another thing that could be added, Ascalonian Cartographer...although with the way ANet's been moving with places like the Undercity in Factions and alot of the underground locations in Nightfall where those areas don't actually count towards the mapping titles.

Personally, I haven't done any exploration in a while. I did most of the mapping as I went, I just wanted to explore everything with my assassin, my first character. It was pretty easy to get up to 80%. 90% just meant mapping all those far out areas in the Jade Sea or the Echovald Forest. Getting up to 95% (and to where I currently am) involved looking at a few threads and realising that I had to map the PvP areas, , challenge missions, get banished by Shiro, etc, but that was long before Nightfall came out. I haven't even really considered trying more in months. Something like this though, if it happens, I probably would go back and finish it off.

As for getting excited or putting holes in walls, perhaps, perhaps not. I tend not to get overly excited at times. It'd probably be a good feeling to get it done, but I doubt I'll be shouting from the roof tops. I definately won't be dancing. I couldn't inflict that on the world.

Is it really just seeing percentages on maps that bother you? What if instead it was just that when you complete an area, like Sunqua Valley or Kaineng Center, it just gets marked with a different colour when your explorer title is activated? ie when you get to 60% you can check the title and then on the continent map the names of the towns are marked in a different colour or perhaps colours (ie darkens from yellow to red, since green is a quest marker) for the amount of that area completed. Would that bother you so much?

I'm willing to admit that some of my motivation against this idea is because its unfair to those of us who got 100% without the need for this.

There are those of us who (as mentioned) spent along time, and alot of frustration getting grandmaster using the existing system.

If Anet suddenly added this % system into the game and removed that frustration and difficulty, its kind of a slap in the face. But my motivation is primarily that I strongly believe its not needed, because those of us who have it are evidence it can be done.

I think better ingame training for exploration is whats needed.

I have written very long posts concerning this issue.
To put it in a nutshell, I believe that ANet has omitted that by error. I don't believe that their intention was for us to "scrape" walls for a living.

I hope that they "fix" this.

I would also like to suggest that we have a poll on this, and that it is included in the proposals towards the developers.

/signed

Negative Ghostrider! All that BS about pixels and "I mapped everything and I can't find the last spots PLEASE HELP ME.." really means they DID NOT edge all the zones. Every time I earned a GMC title I started with one zone and mapped them all and checked them off a list. That's how it is and how it should stay. If you're not willing to do that then you don't deserve the title.

Says who Stank Tank? You?!!

I did what you say. I mapped and got off the list. GMC title cannot be achieved by casually mapping. I have reached 98.8% in Cantha and 98.6% in Elona.

IMHO people who put the effort and time, and are willing to fight the mobs and scrape ALL the walls do deserve the GMC title.

I do agree that by entering the percentiles will make it easier. But it will still requier a LOT of work and dedication.

/signed

Just tell which area is not fully explored might not need to tell the percentage.
It hard to spot those little cloud anyway.
/signed
Maybe they the next chapter cloud make the exploration title simple by adding a landmark point instead of clearing out the fog.

in the light of this idea. they should also add ?/5 chests opened for those doing the treasure hunter title.

/signed

i would actually go for these titles if something like this were implemented. currently, i won't bother because i would be super pissed if i got to 99% and had to resort to pixel hunting (which is just dumb, imo, because of the clouds/jpeg compression/wiggle room/etc). this title should be for everyone willing to explore every area 100%, not just those who are better at finding a needle in a haystack in photoshop, so to speak.

I am doing the Cartographer titles on my warrior at the moment, and in tyria i am on 99.2% and i cant see any areas besides the old arenas that are not uncovered. But as frustrating and difficult it is to find all the tiny little slithers of cloud i have missed, and as much as this idea would be great i am gonna have to say

/notsigned

Simply because it will make the titles to easy to gain since youll know where to look for the missing map. And also its a kick in the nads to those people who have already worked to earn these titles. Id be kinda miffed too if after the time ive put into scraping areas especially S.shiverpeaks and RoF, and they add this new feature. The completion of grinding to earn one of these titles also has the satisfaction of having earned it, adding this feature will imho cheapen the title too.

/not signed this is probably the hardest title to get and it would simply become a pointless title if the percentages were used.

I think that instead of percentages, it should show if you fully did an area or not. It isn't hurting anybody, and it is still going to be a pain to find that spot, but at least someone doesn't have to waste as much time scrapping walls all over the place and finding the needle isn't as hard. I don't think that many more people will go for the title, but if so oh well, it'll help people (and those people probably need it).

I have to add another thought to this.

I think the main issue with the Grandmaster Cartog title is that it has this stigmata in the GWs world of being "easy". So many (arrogrant) players run around, making statements about the exploration titles being easy to attain.

The chances are their probably wammos who think the sun shines out their own rear-ends. They think they could move the moon if they tried, but they dont.

The result is that other players think "Hmmm ok. Im going to try for exploration since it so easy."

Then once they start doing it, they realise its actually alot of hard work and requires time and effort and patience.

When that patience runs out, and they can't be bothered. They start complaining and want it changed to benefit them.

Before you start exploring, keep in mind that its not as easy as people say it is. Its not just a case of hugging walls, and having a nice walk around the game. Most people who say "ah... that title is rubbish because its easy", have never even tried it, or they gave up.

You have to be prepared to put time and effort into 100%.




Percentages in seperate areas is just a complete /notsigned

I could be persuaded to /sign the idea of showing which areas are 100% complete. Like a flag on an area to show 100% for that zone.

But individual, exact % marks in set areas is just tooooo easy as I've said before.

all it tells you is how much of that part of the map you have explored. it doesnt tell you where the missing piece is. There are parts of the map i still dont see i missed but my title shows i have. The % would at least tell me where i am missing in general. This isnt spoon feeding only ending redundant wandering somewhere u dont need.

/signed

~the rat~

If you consider how big a map area (the area between two or more portals) can be, it is spoon feeding. Areas dont tend to be very big, and some are extremely small.

Or it is in my view.

And what you can "redundant wandering" I call hard work, effort and persistance.

I think this is a good idea i have little specks missiong and i don't know where they are.... if this was shows from 1% then it would be easy to sit and look and say hey ive got 45% of that portal i need to go and uncover more ground. This WOULD be easy, however... if this worked like the new Vanquisher title and only showed a marker of 100% when the area has been completed then youd be able to see what areas still need to be completed but not by how much or where youd just have to go back to that area and look around harder.

Thats just my thought and i thihnk it would work very vell... but hey thats just me haha.

Happy Hunting!

Yep. I definitely can't keep track of which explorable areas i've scraped in Tyria and which ones I haven't. O.o;

/signed

You're so right ... /signed.