This game has the biggest freaking grind!

OMFG! This game has the biggest grind ever. Why cant i unlock all of the skills like beta! It takes foever to level! etc. etc.

Well people im sick and tired of hearing these kind of people as well as many others will agree with me. But there is NO grind. A grind is something like where its takes 1 week just to get from lvl 1-2 then about a year to get from 74-75. Sure i may be making those a bit high but thats what a grind is. If you think getting from lvl 1-20 within a month, or even a couple days, of gameplay is a grind, or unlocking all the skills. No your not a noob your not a crybaby... YOURE LAZY. Theres a difference between grinding and laziness!

I think anet has done a great thing and held true to there promise about the "no grind" cause there is no grind. O well thats just a kitties opinion.

I would like a source, is this from dictionary.com? urbandictionary.com? Or just your own values which don't agree with other people?

Who are you to call people names? I didn't know you became the Starkfist of Reality, let alone the creator himself. People have different lives, different values, different perspectives. Bill Gates wipes his behind with thousands, but a hobo on the street would kill for it. Does that make either one of them wrong?

Not really, grinding is doing something that you don't like to achieve something you want, that is the definition without giving specific values. Laziness is the exact same thing, only that in our society, laziness is viewed as bad because of how our society it setup in that you have to do what you have to do to survive.

Indeed, just an opinion.

I think this topic has been done to death and doesn't need yet another thread dedicated. Not only I'm I tired of hearing people bitch about the "grind", I'm tired of hearing people bitch about the people who bitch about the "grind".

You must be one very very lazy boy

I'm torn between thinking your just making joke threads, or that your serious. Neither are a good thing.

They are called trolls. Please do not feed the trolls.

Ahem, ok... I'm just going to delete this I think,

Must love sarcasm in the title then the actual content, but...

This is another one that is just going to bring out the arguments again...

I know my own commentary below is not going to help...

And for that, I do apologize... -_-;

The problem lies in that most of his posts are similar in perspective, leading me to think he might be serious.

anyone who crys over grinding needs to play FFXI seriously.

PARALAX, my friends. Paralax.

Oh yes on a random note, in my opinion, and final word on this subject...

I believe an offical statement by Arena Net on this issue to clarify meaning of the advertisements that were pointed out to me in another topic may help this a bit.

Who knows, either side of the argument may be wrong, but it would be better than squabbling over it more, and forgive me if this has done nothing but make it worse, please, I implore you, don't rant and rave due to what I have stated, its just a suggestion...

Agreed. I came to this game from FFXI and I'm finding the game nice and simple.

Chill out.

Hey, sometimes even real life has some grind. For example, finding a good job may take a while. More than 100 hours? Probably. So looking for a job good be considered grinding.

I'm going to open a thread and bitch about this. It's outrageous.

And hey, I'm still a Town Dweller. The qualification under my nick will change only if I post a lot. It's a grind again.

On a second thought, I'm going to open a thread and bitch about this before bitching about anything else.

Hey, know what? Writing means I have to type one letter at a time, its friggin boring. Arenanet didnt warn me about this on GW's box. Actually I think it can be considered grinding as well.

On a third thought, I'm going to open a thread and bitch about this before bitching about other stuff.

Oh, and one last thing. Whining could be considered grind, so be careful you whiners! Grind is always around the corner, you never know!

Heh.

Wow... I must say... wow... o_o;

I have to also say cute, and interesting points...

It is all a matter of how you look at what you do, if you feel it is tedious, it may be considered a 'grind', as you pointed out above... Very unique, Kudos o_o;

Do people play other MMO before this game? come on.. There is little grind here.
FFXI it take 2week to gain one level. GW takes 2 weeks to reach lvl 20.
FFXI takes 62 people in group to gain access to one of the big boss area. People perpare and setup for several days before they do quest like this in FFXI.
Please don't tell me GW is hard to form a group.
It is not difficult. If you can't get invited you create your party. I'm sure most people are heading in similar direction. Just be more social and make friends.

About the "grind". Until this game came out "grinding" was always known as going to the same places and camping monsters/clearing out the same monsters to increase your XP/Level. It was about finding the places with the most and/or easiest monsters and killing them for days on end for the pure pursuit of getting your character to the level cap as quickly as possible.

Then, along came guild wars - a game that was so bold as to say that there is no grind. Anyone who's came from games like Diablo/Everquest/any other game of this nature should easily be able to identify that there is no "grind" in any sense of the original meaning as the levelling in this game just "happens" as you play through it. At no point should anyone feel compelled to go to any hunting grounds and fight to level up...it's just not necessary. Play through the story and you'll level up without much thought - and, hell, once you hit a certain point you're automatically levelled to the level cap anyways.

What Guild Wars also brought was a bunch of PvP only people who wanted to just get into the arena's and fight. Since the game misrepresented itself these PvPers thought that they could jump right in and use all the skills in the game right from day one. The PvPers didn't like this and started calling the action of collecting skills a "grind". The word "grind" was picked up so quickly because it is a convenient way to attack Anet for putting this system in place and a way to use it as leverage to "compel" them to change it - due to "false advertising". While it is a considerable effort for people who don't want to even look at the PvE game to collect these skills, it still doesn't excuse the misuse of the word "grind".

If any existing term matches the action of getting all the skills - the elite skills that is, it's FARMING. Farming has always been known as going to the same locations and hoping that the right equipment drops from the monsters you kill. Over and over again, going to the same regions, killing the same things, just hoping that the random drops you get are suitable for your character or suitable to sell. The reason this term kinda matches the quest for elite skills is because you're going back to the same regions hoping that the right boss appears. Same kind of concept - just to a different end.

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Also of note. When Anet opened up all the skills for the beta they made it pretty clear that it was just a measure to allow them to test the balance of all the skills. It was obvious that they never intended to leave it that way. Plus, anything that they do in the beta should not be used as comparison in the final product.

Dear Kitty,

Cute avatar...

But for the love of God why the hell did you have to make another thread dealing with this crap? One of these days I'll be safe, where nobody can find me, nobody and their goddam grind threads!

Synncial77, you're just arguing semantics about slang. Grinding seems fairly interchangeable with farming at this point in terms of speaking about Guild Wars.

I highly doubt that anyone who really has gotten themselves fully ready for pvp is saying that the grind doesn't exist :-/

Oh well, Gaile said that there were a lot more than the listed changes coming up in the next update which would reduce pvp grind considerably. Hopefully that's true.

There is no point whatsoever creating threads about this. Numerous people with opposing PoV had already been there and done it, and all its going to do is keep the fire burning, so cool it.