Please stop assuming that leaving = dropping the group

I am concerned by the amount of players who curse and complain every time someone 'leaves' a group in the middle of a mission. Do you really think that everyone who leaves the game did it by choice?

A lot of people crash. Often. I crash myself every 2-10 hours or so. Sometimes it happens in the middle of a mission. Most of the time I dont remember the exact spelling of group member names afterwards, so I cant whisper them 'Really sorry, I crashed'.

Please stop jumping to conclusions and cursing people so quickly.

Well, when half the party died and 2 people leave, what else are you to expect? I've been in parties that have made a massive comeback from 1 to all 8 players, so it's never truly hopeless. Anyway, if we're running between mobs or something and the person just drops randomly, sure, it gets frustrating, but after a curse or two, we go on. If you're at the beginning of the mission, no big deal, just go back to town/outpost. But when you're doing a mission like Hell's Precipice (which is a very long mission) and you're halfway through when someone drops, you'd curse too.

Isn't that a bit excessive?

Curse the game, not the people. It really isnt their fault pretty often.



I dont know, I just know it is true.

One day I got whispers from 3 crashed group members in 4 hours... but not everyone always whispers when they crash, for memory reasons.

I agree... granted that I always play international so groups tend to be smaller, I've never had a problem with early leavers.

I think a good portion of this is that I'm quite social and talkative so the people I game with tend to tell the group what their intentions are when they need to log out or when they want to map out (I have no grudge against someone who just says "look man, this is too frustrating, I'm mapping to the next town")

If a group is hopeless then I'll leave. Who knows? Maybe I was the one making them suck.

Sounds like you have some hardware problems to work out. I wouldnt want you in my group till you get them fixed if you are that unreliable. That means you have a 1 in 5 chance to drop in any given HOH run. If I were you I'd figure out why i'm crashing so much so I dont waste the time of 7 other group members. I haven't crashed once since release.

People may also have real-life concerns which take priority over the game. I can say with some degree of certainty that if I had a phone call telling me that someone close to me had just been involved in a car accident or some-such, I'd log out, shut down and be out the door quicker than you could say 'Barzicalmopsicnakteliaponoponoponoponoweeeeeeeeee talalalalalapongtikmala!'. Frankly I wouldn't give a damn what people on an online game thought of me for doing so at the time, though I'd probably wish I'd said something later on.

The thread starter may also be referring to internet connection crashes, which can be a problem depending on your connection type/provider. I remember when I was still 56k that I simply couldn't stay connected for longer than an hour. My current broadband provider is usually reliable, but even they cut me off once in a while. The last time being in a game of Guild Wars, in fact, though I was just milling around a town at the time.

Simply put, unless someone says "I'm leavin' coz u suck an we ain't winnin'!", you don't know that's why they're leaving. Though I'll admit it's probably usually the case...

You have to admit though it's rediculous sometimes. Especially when you're in the middle of the mission, and a guy goes "bbl i have to cut the grass." This happened to me on the elona mission (timed). I could not believe it. After he left it started a chain reaction and even thoguh we were 2/3 of the way done with the quest, people continued to leave.

When you gotta cut the grass, you gotta cut the grass... *Shrugs*

If he knew he had to cut the grass, he shouldn't really have become involved with a mission in the first place. I would have thought that would be common sense, but I guess some people lack it. Well you can't expect everyone to be smart like that .

When someone mutters "noobs" and disappears it's pretty clear what happened. I'd rather fight with noobs than a quitter.

in all my time playing Guild Wars, i've only had the game crash once. right after Glint first knocks you down in Dragon's Lair. game froze on me. other than that, i've never ever crashed

therefore i would say it's fair to curse the people since chances are their crashing is usually due to not-so-good hardware and/or a not-so-good ISP; both of which are their responsibility to remedy before even starting to play a party-based online game

Not everyone has a uber rig with awesome ISP service. Trying to berate them for that will have you coming off as an a-hole.

No matter what kind of ISP you have, when they do maintenance, your getting knocked off line.

And you make sound as if people like to crash out of the game. Yep, they spent hard earned cash just to log in and get disconnected from the server.

More often than not, I've been in groups where the dropper drops RIGHT after he/she dies.

Now when this happens, either the whole party has died (thus telling us we need to work on tactics or form a new party), or it was just him/her (telling us that this guy is a noob, with noob gear, and is probably doing something stupid).

Basically, in every group I've been in so far, we've only had one group wipeout (last night... stupid hydras; we start attacking two, then suddenly we have 6 on us, NOT good).

If you crash that often you have a moral imperative not to play with a group. Don't care how much you spent on the game, you are ruining it for others. Stop joining groups and start a guild for people who can't finish missions.

this post is 100% spot-on

whether or not the droppers are dropping intentionally or not is besides the point

the important thing is, the result is the same no matter what. the non-droppers end up getting screwed-over, which is not fair to them.

hence like Shags said, droppers have a moral imperative to not play with non-droppers

Well part of the problem is its not a pay monthly game IMO. Alot more KIDS (not puting all kids in this catogory. But the Imature inconsiderate brats LOL).
And part of the problem also is people come up with excuses for them all the time LOL. Real Life is more important but just becasue its a game people should still show others common curtisey. And it happens at such a rate I can only imagine the lines at the emergency rooms around the world.

Hell I was told how bad my idea was of ranking the quiters so people will know who these jerks are (wich WOULDNT count against those who lost connection and would give you 2 free quits and a forgiveness of a quit for every 5 or so COMPLETED missions. This is an increasing topic on the forrums lately hopefully A-net will take some action.

quoted for truth

there are henchies (and while not a dropper, I've played with them on many occassions)

Proper etiquette would be to stay with a mission team until completed or until all members are dead. An outpost would be the desired and courteous time to exit a party.

Things may happen which prevent you from completing a mission and leaving abruptly. These situations are not prevalent and not a problem.

Some people do leave out of spite. That's unfortunate, but to be expected in an anonymous internet community. It does make it more difficult on the others to complete a difficult and long mission and that's a bit unfair.

Others leave because Mommy said no more GW for the night and they got caught going back to finish that last mission. That is also unfortunate, and the results are the same as the spiteful dropper.

If there was a way to see the number of times someone unpartied outside of a town or outpost, it would compel people to display more common courtesy or else be ostracized or outcast and greatly alleviate the aforementioned problem.

I would also like to apply the same logic to /deaths. It would be helpful to know the caliber of a player beforehand. This is not intended as an elitist smear. Some people I've partied with refuse to follow the aggro rules of the game and just attract mob after mob only to die every time and spam "rez plz." That ..errr..playing style should be reflected for others to see, like an online caveat.

In addition, major computer crash problems should be addressed, not whined about on the forums. Your continued partying with others is as selfish and detrimental as the reasons listed above.

Just some thoughts.

PS. How do you know that most people have a legitimate exuse for dropping because you feel you have one??

"Stop joining groups and start a guild for people who can't finish missions."

I was going to do that but we never got past the first stages of setting up.