GvG - Dwarven or Bull?

I've been trying to work out the best combo for a GvG hammer warrior... I've narrowed it down to these two for now:

BULL::
1. Bull's Charge
2. Sprint
3. Counter Blow
4. Irresitable Blow
5. Staggering Blow
6. Heavy Blow
7. Belly smash
8. Res sig

DWARVEN
1. Dwarven Battle Stance
2. Beserker Stance
3. Counter Blow
4. Irresitable Blow
5. Staggering Blow
6. Heavy Blow
7. Belly smash
8. Res sig

With bulls I can have a perminant 25% speed boost to counter kiters, run flags, etc, with the added bonus that half the time when i hit them, they will fall over without me using any more skills.

However, with Dwarven, I can cycle beserker stance, use skills, Dwarven, use skills, then back to beserker, meaning both interrupts and a much faster damage spike.

Help me forum! I'm so confused! Are there any other skills i should be using to help the team/do damage? Which one should i pick?

Adren Hammer
Warrior/Monk

Strength: 9 (8+1)
Tactics: 11 (10+1)
Hammer Mastery: 16 (12+4)

- Resurrection Signet ()
- "To The Limit!" (Tactics)
- Frenzy (Warrior other)
- Backbreaker [Elite] (Hammer Mastery)
- Crushing Blow (Hammer Mastery)
- Mighty Blow (Hammer Mastery)
- Hammer Bash (Hammer Mastery)
- Rush (Strength)


This FnlD style hammer build allows you to adren spike people, which is by far the most reliable and fast way to kill.

"To The Limit!" helps speed adrenalin gain, then in fast succesion on target with Frenzy up:

Backbreaker -> Crushing Blow -> Mighty Blow -> Hammer Bash

Dwarven Battle Stance is fairly bad, even after the recent buff to it. As is Berzerker Stance. Neither allow you to have an attack speed buff up whilst you are spiking.

Counter Blow and Staggering Blow are both fairly weak skills. Against a good Warrior, Counter Blow will be useless. They will simply just stop attacking you and move onto someone else. Heavy Blow is again fairly weak, as it relies on a condition. Belly Smash again, is very weak. For it's cost, the effect is minimal.

Bull's Charge is decent on a sword warrior, as they don't really have any elites of note. On a hammer Warrior I would not drop the ability to use one of the attack elites, which are all fairly powerfull.

It seems to me like you are building specifically to counter other warriors, and that really isn't a Warriors role in GvG. You are a highly offensive character that be focusing generally on softer targets that are a priority. Things like mesmers harrasing your monks, monks that are stopping you getting kills... etc.

I hope this post has been of use, and you take the time to try and understand it.

[edit: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=139954
You might also want to take a read of this, fairly interesting thread on current Warrior builds.]

If I had to pick one of those it would be Bullscharge, but both builds seem to be flawed.

My Bullscharge build(sword)
1 Rush
2 Bullscharge
3 Sever
4 Gash
5 Final thrust or Distracting blow
6 Frenzy
7 Heal sig
8 Rez


My Hammer build
1 Sprint
2 Frenzy
3 Dev Hammer
4 Crushing blow
5 Hammer Bash
6 Irresistable blow
7 Healsig or Bullstrike
8 Rez

I want DBS to be better;;ie Not end if you use a skill
I havent found a hammer build I like that doesnt use a Hammer Elite plz share.

Without a Hammer elite...

I'll try.

I'm useless at Warriors, though. Be warned.

W/X
Strength: 9 +1
Hammer Mastery: 12 +3 +1
Tactics: 9 +1

“To The Limit!”
Battle Rage {E}
Irresistible Blow
Healing Signet
Hammer Bash
Mighty Blow
(Counter Blow)
Resurrection Signet

Dwarven stance is pretty bad all around. I haven't find a single decent build with it. When you are getting kite, no amount of attack speed going to help you. If you can get someone to give you wind borne speed all the time or some slow down hex, sure it might be pretty devastating. Prot monk's cast speed still own you pretty hard.

If your target don't kite, ok... drop him dead.

Quote: Adren Hammer
Warrior/Monk

Strength: 9 (8+1)
Tactics: 11 (10+1)
Hammer Mastery: 16 (12+4)

- Resurrection Signet ()
- "To The Limit!" (Tactics)
- Frenzy (Warrior other)
- Backbreaker [Elite] (Hammer Mastery)
- Crushing Blow (Hammer Mastery)
- Mighty Blow (Hammer Mastery)
- Hammer Bash (Hammer Mastery)
- Rush (Strength) To the limit is pretty useless considering it's recharge, besides, why waste stats on tactics on one skill? Go full strength/ earth for AS/ Smite for HS.

Backbreaker, imo, use useless for a hammer war sicne they have stonefist. Leave backbreaker for Bunny Thumpers. 21 more damage isn't worth 3 more strikes of adren; devastating hammer provides more frequent spikes.

Consider taking sprint instead of rush. Good casters will always kite warriors, not letting you gain any adren and reducing your dps. Sprint allows you to catch up to casters instantly.

Use Irresistable Blow if you are going full fledged war.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829 To the limit is pretty useless considering it's recharge, besides, why waste stats on tactics on one skill? It's only 20 seconds, and with their slow swings hammer warriors need all the help they can get to build adren. "To The Limit!" is a nice skill.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829 Go full strength/ earth for AS/ Smite for HS. Strength is pretty trashy (aside from some of the skills), KD/AS warriors are very trashy, and KD/HS warriors are almost as trashy.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829 Backbreaker, imo, use useless for a hammer war sicne they have stonefist. A 4 second knockdown is not to be laughed at. Especially when a well built hammer warrior can finish off most targets in those 4 seconds that they are in the dirt. Key for killing boon prots.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829

Quote: It's only 20 seconds, and with their slow swings hammer warriors need all the help they can get to build adren. "To The Limit!" is a nice skill. Thus why you use an axe to build off spikes.

Quote: Strength is pretty trashy (aside from some of the skills), KD/AS warriors are very trashy, and KD/HS warriors are almost as trashy. If Strength was trashy, As was trashy, HD is trashy, tactics isn't?
AS isn't trashy at all. You can do massive damage with it if you do it correctly.
Quote:

A 4 second knockdown is not to be laughed at. Especially when a well built hammer warrior can finish off most targets in those 4 seconds that they are in the dirt. Key for killing boon prots. When using Devastating>Mighty/Irresistable>Hammer Bash>Crushing Blow> AS/HS, the enemy caster does not have a chance to get up, cast, or move. Therefor, if the caster(boon prot for example) does not have guardian, the full spike will kill him in one combo. Though a smart boon prot will never let RoF/Guardian go off when kiting a hammer war anyways. Stonefist adds a second to devastating hammer, while it does not add to backbreaker. Quote: Thus "To The Limit! TTL gains you 1 strike of adren most of the time if you are 4 v 4(the area is similar to channeling, correct?). Unless the opposition has no idea of what they're doing and is trying to take down a hard target first. 5 energy for 1 adren isn't a good trade off. [QUOTE] I meant irresistable for mighty.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829 If Strength was trashy, As was trashy, HD is trashy, tactics isn't?
AS isn't trashy at all. You can do massive damage with it if you do it correctly. AS has horrible aftercast, last time I was told. Horrible for a warrior.


Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829 When using Devastating>Mighty/Irresistable>Hammer Bash>Crushing Blow> AS/HS, the enemy caster does not have a chance to get up, cast, or move. Therefor, if the caster(boon prot for example) does not have guardian, the full spike will kill him in one combo. Though a smart boon prot will never let RoF/Guardian go off when kiting a hammer war anyways. Stonefist adds a second to devastating hammer, while it does not add to backbreaker. Hammer Bash makes you lose all adrenaline...



Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829 Thus why you use an axe to build off spikes. And lose all of that pressure? No thanks.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829 If Strength was trashy, As was trashy, HD is trashy, tactics isn't? No, it's not.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829 AS isn't trashy at all. You can do massive damage with it if you do it correctly. You can do just as much damage without it, and save the attribute points.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829 When using Devastating>Mighty/Irresistable>Hammer Bash>Crushing Blow> AS/HS, the enemy caster does not have a chance to get up, cast, or move. Therefor, if the caster(boon prot for example) does not have guardian, the full spike will kill him in one combo. A full backbreaker combo will also kill. It also doesn't rely on two knockdowns, and doesn't lose all of your adrenaline upon completion.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829

True...but I don't like being Shutdown...

And yes, Dazed will be removed straight away.

@JR

There is much contradiction in your posts.

Quote: You shouldn't be building up on the target you are going to spike Quote: And lose all of that pressure? No thanks. So are you building off on teh target or not?

Quote: A full backbreaker combo will also kill. It also doesn't rely on two knockdowns, and doesn't lose all of your adrenaline upon completion. Quote:

Backbreaker -> Crushing Blow -> Mighty Blow -> Hammer Bash Self Explainatory. If you're running frenzy w/o sprint, a good team WILL notice and you might be ganked if you're stuck in frenzy mode. @LightningHell Quote: AS has horrible aftercast, last time I was told. Horrible for a warrior. As has 10 second recast, less than time period for a devastating spike. Quote: Hammer Bash makes you lose all adrenaline... Crushing does not require adrenaline. if you see backbreaker and you die even 1/10 times, it's either you have a one monk backline, a 3 monk backline with down's syndrome, or a retarded active prot.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829

During GvG, with the split teams and all, sprint is not needed.
In HoH, sprint is needed for altar capping, relic running, and ganking ghostly/priest. You cannot bring rush to run relics.

Quote: Originally Posted by kilika829

Back to the original poster, as a hammer warrior, it is almost neccessary to take either devestating or backbreaker as your elite. Since without it, you lose the hammer knockdown adrenaline combo which is what makes the hammer warrior so scary. If you are running with either axe or sword, bull's charge might be an option (Especially if you're running sword, but just "Charge" can be very good as well in GvG. With an axe, eviserate is usually the elite to take)

Bottom line: you always need a speed buff, an attack speed buff, and a rez sig. As for your attacks, I would go with devastating or back breaker, follow up with crushing blow, and personally I like to bring irresistable blow and hammer bash. Irresistable blow=free KD for monks when they use gaurdian, and a ton of extra damage for mesmers when they use distortion (usually enough to kill them because when they use it you know they're in trouble. I'm not really a big fan of dwarven battle stance, hammers just weren't made to interrupt people. The reason I'd choose devastating hammer or backbreaker is because your main threat as a hammer warrior is knock down.

Quote: He uses Rush, not Sprint. Is rush going to be up 100% of the time? Even though you are running TTL?

Some people evidently don't know what's FnlD and who's JR-.

My guess is he's PvPed more than all of us combined.

Sorry on the Crushing thing. I don't play Warrior, and so am unclear on this.

And if you want to complain about me for the aftercast thing, go on a thread I made in the GvG forum, and argue all you like.

Quote: Some people evidently don't know what's FnlD and who's JR-.

My guess is he's PvPed more than all of us combined. Rank 84 is impressive, but it doesn't make a member in it always correct in forums. I've been in top 50 guilds myself.

Maybe more than you. I believe most people that post in this part of the forum actually have an idea what they're are doing.

Be sure to do your research before you submit a post, you might mislead someone