The Perversion of Guild Wars

Originally Posted by Loralai

I can see the OP's point, however, I lean more toward the idea of, "play the game your way, let others play theirs." We ALL paid for the game. If a 55 monk is farming Augry Rock, it's not affecting my game in the slightest, so why should I care?

Originally Posted by trankle

I found a way to get some of the innocence back. I recently got a friend to purchase the game, and I created a new character to adventure with him. The trick is, I answer all his questions and give him good advice, but he leads everywhere. Even if I know he's going the 'wrong' way. Playing the old quests through someone else's eyes has been really fun.

Just an idea.

Originally Posted by Canadian Bacon

Crazy Diamond, I know where your coming from.

A while back I had to explain to a lvl20 guy (somewhere in the mountians, I forget exactly where) how to use his Map function. I am not lieing.

But that isn't the worst part of it.

I explained to him that when you press "M", you can see the map. Of course, he was like "Whao! Thats sweet!" About half a minute later, he suddenl;y leaves the party without warning. I whispered him to ask where he went, and he replied with something to the eeffect of, "OMG! My map is hax! Its big glitch! I clicked Ascalon to zoom in, and suddenly I went there! WTF!!!!!" Of course, I had to onder if this guy was serious. But nevertheless, I began typing a message about how that's what is supposed to happen when you click a town. He took a moment to reply, and then said "STFU NUB!!!" and put me on ignore.

I promise this is a 100% true story, as unbelievable as it is. This is a perfect example of how runners wreck the game for new players. That guy hadn't the faintest clue about one of the most basic features.

Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon

Hoping to get an ecto/shard, or perhaps some eternal stuff, or a storm bow? Guess what, if that's why you went down there - you are farming.

Originally Posted by crazy diamond

Farming is hoarding as many items. runes, etc. as possible so that I can sell them for a profit. Amassing large quantities of a certain product, far more than you'll ever need, so that you may distribute it to other people for a fee. You know, kind of like that thing people in the country do in real life. What's it called.. oh yeah! Farming.

Originally Posted by Fantus

"Farming" was invented by early people not to reap big profits but to grow food for their own needs. Your definition is wrong.

Originally Posted by crazy diamond

Uh, no, that isn't farming. Thats getting myself one item or weapon I want. It's something I intend to keep.

Originally Posted by crazy diamond

Farming is hoarding as many items. runes, etc. as possible so that I can sell them for a profit. Amassing large quantities of a certain product, far more than you'll ever need, so that you may distribute it to other people for a fee. You know, kind of like that thing people in the country do in real life. What's it called.. oh yeah! Farming.

Originally Posted by SilentAssassin

the chicken or the egg??

Originally Posted by Lasher Dragon

Whatever your intent with the item, you went down there not to do missions or gain XP, but to kill monsters until you found an item. That is farming.

Originally Posted by Rilder

I'm confused, i thought farming had something to do with corn and John Deer Tractors, i dont think theres any John Deer Tractors in the game

Originally Posted by Avarre

So basically, what you're saying is groups that use proper aggro, and good builds and tactics to kill places such as fissure with <5 people should be disallowed, and you consider this 'human nature' of exploiting? What the hell are you on?

The OP is complaining that people find ways to optimize their skill set, and labels it exploiting? I got news for you, some people enjoy it just for the fun of playing a smaller group (like playing Intentionally-Underpowered-Builds in diabloII), and others enjoy the 'exploit' of 55 hp farming or whatnot.

So basically you want everyone better than you in PvE to be nerfed? Blech, this thread is traumatizing.

In closing, I play 3man FoW runs, 2 man smite runs, pug 8 man runs of either, and I enjoy all forms of this. Why is what I consider fun less important than you wanting to be a reactionary?

Originally Posted by Kurow

When I started this game, I was entranced. I loved the ideas the game was built on, the constant exposure to different builds and different methods of play was wonderful, it allowed me to stay open minded, and to expand my knowledge. I continued through the game with my first character, doing almost everything, there was always something new to strive for. Even after beating the game and becoming level twenty, I worked towards building great PvP builds and the like. I really liked this game.
Looking back on those days are now the same as a man in an unhappy marriage thinking back to the love-filled days of his youth. Now when I play, I find people looking for the newest way to exploit the game, the newest way to farm x, the best build for soloing y. This isn’t what you’re supposed to do. Areanet tries to stop people from doing this. It’s the moment that you start playing the game only to gain gold that it loses its innocence. Id bet every one of you can remember the first time you got to a new area with your first character, and you couldn’t wait to get all the new skills and fight all the cool new enemies. Now what do you think when you get to maguuma jungle with your 3rd or 4th character? It’s only a hassle to go through the game. And why are you making this character? I would bet that at least five times out of ten these characters are created so that someone can use them to farm gold better.
Doing the same run over and over again isn’t fun, in my opinion at least. Killing the same enemies, trying for the same loot, and when you get it, you go and sell it. What is gained? Money. Anything else? Well experience, but otherwise nothing. I don’t want to do these things. I want to play the game like I played it before. I want innocence. I want there to be no 55 monks. I want the level 20-28 enemies to be able to kill any groups with less than 4 people. I want people to not exploit the game. I want people to play it for what it is. But what I want will never happen. There will always be holes in the game; there will always be differences in the characters. There will always be opportunities for players to exploit the game. The people won’t change, its human nature to act like this. So what can I do? I don’t know. I just don’t know. I want the old game back, I want my innocence back.

Originally Posted by Linsys

Ok, I guess I miss the problem... do these things... don't farm... don't kill the same monsters over and over again, but DON'T tell others what to do.. what isn't fun for you might be fun for someone else..

How is it an "exploit" because level 28 enemys can't kill a 4 man team?

They didn;t exploit the game, they OMG just leared how to use their skills, you might want to do the same.. learn how to use your skills you might get into one of these 4 man teams.


I hate how all you people who don't want to "farm" try and tell everyone else how to play the game, if you like doing all the missions make a new character and do it... start a guild of people like you.... do something don't just complain on GW Guru.. this is pointless..