Masochism - Yes or No?

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Gabs88
Desert Nomad
#1
Simply put, do you think it deserves a spot on a minion master bar? Yes or no? And why, why not?
Olle
Olle
Furnace Stoker
#2
If I feel i can take a skill out, yes, +2 SR&DM is nice.
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Tess80
Ascalonian Squire
#3
If your minions are supposed to stay alive (minion master), then Masochism helps making them more durable and will allow one additional minion, so I'd say it deserves a spot.

If your minions are supposed to bomb the enemy with Death Nova (minion bomber), you're cycling through minions fast enough so that the extra durability of your minions is less of an issue. It's still a decent skill to bring, but usually I have other skills I'd like to take more on these kind of bars.
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Avishh
Ascalonian Squire
#4
Can help to reach a breakpoint, so I normally take it, but it's definitely not key and if it didn't reach a minion breakpoint I wouldn't bother.
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DRGN
Krytan Explorer
#5
The extra minion, 6 energy/15 seconds from Soul Reaping, and slightly stronger Death Novas/whatever other damage skills you bring make it worthwhile to me. The extra health also makes it a bit easier to keep them alive between battles
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Jeydra
Forge Runner
#6
The skill adds +2 to your two most important attributes. Why would you not take it?
InStars
InStars
Frost Gate Guardian
#9
I would take it on pure Death Magic necro, but normally I run hybrids and I use secondary profession skills instead.
Gemm
Gemm
Ascalonian Squire
#10
Quote: 2. Bar compression, what else could I take? (This is really the importaint one)
I mostly use it, althouuuuuugh sometimes i take putrid flesh for extra pressure in areas with groups that have a healer(s), but i micro it incase a hero decides to abuse it. It's quite nice, helps with spiking down groups quickly with the extra degen.

I'd say 70% of the time i use masochism though, as people have said extra minion helps in the long run and extra energy from SR.
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doomfodder
Lion's Arch Merchant
#11
I use Masochism, but not to "compete" with other minion masters in my group

12+1+3 death magic
12+1 soul reaping
3 curses

Discord - 115 base damage without any cons or title related damage bonus
Necrosis
Enfeeble - condition feeds KD of the summon
Malign Intervention - hex to feed discord
Verata's Gaze - master the level 20 bone horror
Summon Naga Shaman
Masochism
opt slot - res, EVAS, Technobabble, rupt, ench removal,etc
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hunter
Frost Gate Guardian
#13
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Its like asking whether to take death nova on a minion bomber
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Jeydra
Forge Runner
#16
Yes. If I weren't going AFK most of the time, I'd lose Blood of the Master before Masochism as well.
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Kunder
Desert Nomad
#17
A full Masochism minion army does ~25% more damage than it would without masochism (counting the 11th minion and +2 levels to all minions). It provides ~35% more of a damage buffer, and BotM is effectively ~25-35% more powerful. It makes soul reaping ~20% more powerful (depending on your attribute allocation). I hope I don't have to explain why all of this is a good thing.

Putrid Bile is weaksauce. You have to micro it heavily to make it actually trigger reliably, and when it does its still pretty weak for a skill that can only work effectively once per battle. Would never use it, go /Mo for PS/SB/SoA, /P for SYG/FB, etc. You can find a whole lot better stuff to place on a bar than PB.
Cathode_Reborn
Cathode_Reborn
Desert Nomad
#20
I've always been kinda iffy about it.

2+ to DM is nice but the gains are extremely minor. The damage boost to regular skills is almost nothing and it's not really enough to suddenly make your minions much stronger/tankier. It might be tempting to take on a bar with AotL but in most cases, I wouldn't bother with it.