WoC making Cantha dreadful

I nearly wiped just trying to get to Baubao today because the path to him is stacked with Ministry bada$$es. It's no longer worth the measely rewards for it if you have to fight endgame HM just for 70 coin.

I'm torn on WoC because at least with WiK there were immediate rewards, interesting changes and access to new areas. All WoC does is make travelling Cantha a living hell.

WiK actually benefits you because you get Shining Blade allies dropping in before you even officially start the content (just beat EotN and you get buddies in Kryta).

I don't mind the difficulty as much as the difficulty doesn't equal the reward(s).

Please, for gawd's sake! No more QQ's about WOC. If it's too hard for you then ask for advice and not bigger rewards. People here WILL try and help.

BTW, how is this "endgame"? It's just additional content and you don't have to do it.

I think the problem is that if you dont want to do it, the mobs are still gonna be there anyway... atleast thats what i thought. havent touched cantha in AGES.

LTP. It's really that simple. If you are going to piss and moan, do it about your own incompentence.

He has the right to complain about it if he wants, what's the need for a personal attack?

Seems like people will attack anyone here who they do not agree with, instead of just moving on, I guess they have to get in their $0.02!

Thirteen words.

"I hope you guys all did your vanqs before WoC"

I think it can be stressful? Doesn't this make vq titles harder to acquire now? And yeh stop with the hate. Its a forum, if everyone would write what you wanted then there would be no need for this forum in the first place. Forums are for discussion.

Some people shouldn't be on forums if they are only here to whine about the people who complains.

He has the right to state his opinion about WoC as much as he wants and I do agree with him.

It seems L2P writing people one have oneliners comeback! I seriously doubt his comptence about the game it's not a L2P issue just a new way to make your skills usable and more effective to counter the npcs skill bar.

You cannot be serious?

If you were talking about WiK, where spawns go back to normal after you've finished it, then yeah, that might be cause for concern.
But I think someone has every right to piss and moan when their normal gameplay in an area has been totally and irrevocably (afawk) changed for the worse.

The level of conceitedness displayed on this forum can be downright dumbfounding at times.

There seems to be only 2 types of reply to these questions these days:

1. "If you can't hack it, don't bother"
2. "Try this and this, it might just get you through ..."

Whilst both camps are right to a certain extent, Anet seem to have forgotten something
This -> Of course it does. It's also making you think about the way you play instead of simply "sleep walking" your way through the game.

That said, I feel there shoud have been a warning that VQ and HM will change completely in Cantha, similar to Tyria, before it was started.

^ i agree 100%

It's only that overpowered RoJ that melts down any pack of stacked heroes.

Definately should have warned us about the changes. VQ'ing Minister Cho's was a pain.

source: http://www.arena.net/blog/what-does-...survey-results

I do believe that this comment was meant to imply that WoC would only be "challenging" for those who seek it and it just doesn't seem right that this "challenge" is forced onto players like the op when they're doing a quest completely unrelated to WoC.

I found it more interesting and challenging now, I hope they won't change it back to super easy. And yeah, if you're not good enough to beat these silly mobs just ask people for advice, I'm sure there are many helpful folks out there.

No, that's only in the first row of quests.

What was meant here is: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Winds_of_Change

There's actually 3 complete twists to the story.

Spot on Elnino! It's influencing things which have not a bit to do w. the WOC quests themselves .....

This, and just this. There should be a warning, but the WoC's difficulty itself is fine. It actually is hard mode now, rather than 'pick your favourite gimmick from pvx' mode. Vanquishing is harder now, but it was a mindless bashing of numbers if you ever used your brain and/or checked pvx.
Everything what it now requires is using some more brain and being at least a bit accustomed to and proficient with the game's mechanics - flagging, calling, having a build useful for that certain area rather than a pvx cookie-cutter, and so on.

That said, please do remember that WiK mobs stopped appearing only after you've done the whole WiK. It might be the issue with WoC, thus making WoC spawns not stupid or buggy in essence, just ANet's taking too much time to implement the last part, whichever it is.

I beg to differ.

WoC is currently the best expression of "pick your favourite gimmick from pvx mode" , the only difficulty being either:

- the ridicolously huge size of mobs
- the ridicolously high level of foes/attributes
- mixed combinations of the above

None of the spawns is particularly smart: WoC is HM on drugs, HM in turn being just NM on steroids. That's not "hard" nor "challenging" in my book, it's plain, oversimplistic nonsense.

I actually never felt the need of any gimmick before. Heck, I even skipped PvE-only skills as I found them redundant.... before WoC HM.

Yes it would be good if they dumbed-down normal content for WoC, so all the lazy c-space people who insist on taking poorly setup heroes won't moan.

However the HM foes are great, and good to see something which isn't a total walk in the park.

I hope they do not dumb things down totally like they did with BFLA, what once to be hectic, you can almost solo on a rt now.

there's no comparisn here, really not. BFLA before 7 heroes was a challenge if you were alone.

The level of the WOC quests is just about right, although I disagree that gimmick builds are needed here.

The end result is not yet clear, but they're getting there and doing a good job, considering that the main dev-team is now almost completely involved w. GW2

I agree OP. I don't have a problem with the difficulty of WoC mobs, I actually found it refreshing that I couldn't just faceroll through them. But even when you want to the something completely unrelated, like the Zbounty, you have to take on the much more powerful WoC mobs instead of the normal ones. I think some have said it before, but if you don't find it worth it, then don't do it I just take a different character or don't do it at all.
And I also waited on my 'second main character' to start WoC until I vanquished all of canta... that way I can choose myself to do WoC HM or not.