Quick FoW MoP Question

When running with 3(or 4) terras and a single warrior, n/p becomes superior due to inspirational speech, although a single derv generally does the job better. When running with 3 (or 4) terras run mes spike (or dwgs) because manly spike with only war + nec is shitty and pointless when mesmers/rits are stronger and better overall.

There, fixed that for you

i lol'd @ assylia calling people terribad for saying AP is subpar when it clearly is. You even listed the reasons for bringing n/p over n/a... N/P with ijafw is actually becoming more common, so i wouldnt say it is beyond pugteams.


OT: It makes pretty much no difference as paranon says, everything should die anyway. but ideally go n/p with the bar you showed.
Thing is, most pugs are still pretty sub-par in terms of team coordination and ability (which is beyond me how people can be bad at pressing 12345, or making a simple ball when there are several good videos with experienced pulls) so your bar although not having an effect on the spikes, will have an effect on cleanup, and assuming you have some cleanup to do, n/p is going to be vastly better than n/a,

When running with 3 (or 4) terras run mes spike (or dwgs) because manly spike with only war + nec is shitty and pointless when mesmers/rits are stronger and better overall.

There, fixed that for you

i lol'd @ assylia calling people terribad for saying AP is subpar when it clearly is. You even listed the reasons for bringing n/p over n/a... N/P with inspirational is actually becoming more common, so i wouldnt say it is beyond pugteams.


OT: It makes pretty much no difference as paranon says, everything should die anyway. but ideally go n/p with the bar you showed.
Thing is, most pugs are still pretty sub-par in terms of team coordination and ability (which is beyond me how people can be bad at pressing 12345, or making a simple ball when there are several good videos with experienced pulls) so your bar although not having an effect on the spikes, will have an effect on cleanup, and assuming you have some cleanup to do, n/p is going to be vastly better than n/a, Meh, im from a time before buh change and regen change, when war+nec reigned supreme. Oh, and N/A is far superior to N/P in terms of cleanup ability. tab->ap->fh repeat. I dont see why people think that removal of conditions is somehow better than lulzspam of fh/evas.

Well even if you go N/A just for AP which can be replaced with AoS, you're going N/P for IJAFW which is an elite and is as usefull as Foul Feast. Since you have to bring AoS you can't bring another PvE-skill either, making you gain less power than N/A who can bring 3 dmg PvE-skills. And well it happens a lot in pug teams that theres more than 1 left over foe after the spike, making N/A better... once again because you can chain more EVAS and FH. And there's no need for 2 copies of CTT either, preventing 4 touch skills is enough. So then the only reason left is Fall Back, and tbh there's not that much running in FoW, and those 10 seconds that the monk's Fall Back is recharging won't matter enough to even bother since most times you'll be waiting for the tank to ball things anyway. And why was Inspirational Speech better when theres 2 spikers?

This is why you're wrong. The old 2spiker bars (N/P and W/A only) were different, the n/p would run inpirational and use it on the war on spikes - a tactic not used any more on t3/t4way really, and when they do t3 with manlyspike they run 2 wars/dervs and a nec instead of the old 1 nec + war + monk/forest rit.

as i said... you have 2 spikers and an sos clearing up, with two spikers on one target and additional damage from spirits, EVAS + FH is negligible damage, oh and i said ~2 foes, because normally it is a few bonds left over because pugs cannot ball them correctly... the difference AP makes for spamming stuff is negligible. i didnt say 2x CTT is a necessity, i said it is an option, so again, your point is invalid. also... IJAFW is > ff so, how does that make ijafw not a reason? your logic is flawed. Tank should also have balled everything before you get there anyway, and even if he hasnt, its not like you stand still for hours waiting, so again, flawed point. Also, most pugs just run evas + fh and then whatever the hell else on their bar, 3rd pve skill is often either negligible in how much it helps or they dont even take one, so again, you made no real point.

You can argue this to death if you wish, but it is accepted that n/p is superior to n/a by most high end players, or even players who just know how skills work... so i dont see why you are so hell bent on arguing otherwise. Your logic is quite heavily flawed and you keep attempting to disregard points i make using flawed statements.

I have told you why n/p is superior to n/a, and considering most people here are in agreement with me, i dont see any point in this continuing. Oh, and dropping AP for aos and secondary opens up more than just IJAFW, you can run /mo for ua or rc as others have stated, there are several other options, n/p is just the most popular.

herpaderp im well acquainted with modern tactics. Hell, i created the modern splits for t4way and part of t5way, as well as controlled the fow record for a good two years. I'm well aware that rits are stronger overall, but we are referring to manlyspike here, not derpspike.

Regardless of how perfect the mt's balling is, AP will always be superior to IJaFW. If theres no leftovers, theres no conditions. Its not like conditions outside of blind even really affect the run, and foul feast is more than enough to strip the blind at worms. On the off chance that there ARE leftovers, AP's utility far outweighs the utility granted by going /p. I still dont get how this is even an argument. Well you created the builds for everyone? Are you sure that noone made these builds before you did?
There is one thing i learned a year ago: never ask for credit if you made a build, because there are that many players out there who could've been faster making a similar build/tactic.
The fact that you may be a good known player in the "leading sc-guilds" (well i dont know, because i am not playing in the highest end of sc where everyone only wants records) still won't allow you to claim that.


But alex, i am afraid that its still right that N/A is better than N/P - since AP recharges all skills even if only your target dies (while cleaning up), that makes evas/fh/ebonsniper/ymlad spamable -> foes doe really fast.
Another point is, that N/A has 3 pve slots which allow more dmg too.

Actually the build of the mop doesnt really matters, it only must have mop + a recharge skill + 6 variables for better spiking/more cleanup dmg/more support/heal (yeah i know its stupid but you can bring hexremove and shit ;D)

Also you're pretty much the only "high-end" player in this thread that really argumented for N/P's favor... It's cuz high end ppl generally don't use manly spike and therefore don't bother to post here...

As for the question which one is superior to the other, in "exp" teams N/P is better since u won't have time to cast AP anyway. As for pugs, run whatever the hell u want, the run will suck anyway since it's a pug run.