Any/A Vaettir Farmer

so please explain to me why you don't use whirling defence? They are melee, Whirling Defense only deals damage if you block a projectile.

Ok, imo this is NOT good for any profession. Sure you can swap out the 12 Expertise for say, 12 SR, you're not going to be very proficient with the weapon you're wielding. As a Necro, that build would be useless for me. I'm hardly going to be dealing awesome damage with my wand/staff, even worse without points in Marksmanship. Alkar's is a skill that's good against Destroyers but is a projectile, therefore can miss. Light of Deldrimor would be a better choice if you want AoE non-profession specific damage. WotM at only 3% is a waste too. There's probably more but those are the major flaws I'm seeing from just looking at the build straight away.

So yeah, you've essentially come up with a good R/A build for Vaetirrs, although I can't really comment on that as I don't have a Ranger to test it on. I can say right away that for a caster, it sucks. First of all, you're so off base its funny. I never post on here anymore but saw your ridiculous accusations and had to respond. Have you even done vaettir farming before? The weapon does not matter as long as its +20% Enchantments. Alkar's damage does not need to be super high as Shadow Form caps the amount dealt. And why would it miss? The vaettirs attack you in melee and don't move their position ever. Light of Deldrimor is not a better choice as it has a longer recharge and the damage is capped just the same as Alkar's. WotM may not be an amazing skill but it does have a purpose believe it or not. This is a safe farming build that works for people of all experience levels. Sure it's not the fastest thing out there but it gets the job done well in a secure manner. There's probably more flaws of "flaws" you pointed out, but I think this will suffice.

Ok, imo this is NOT good for any profession. Sure you can swap out the 12 Expertise for say, 12 SR, you're not going to be very proficient with the weapon you're wielding. As a Necro, that build would be useless for me. I'm hardly going to be dealing awesome damage with my wand/staff, even worse without points in Marksmanship. Alkar's is a skill that's good against Destroyers but is a projectile, therefore can miss. Light of Deldrimor would be a better choice if you want AoE non-profession specific damage. WotM at only 3% is a waste too. There's probably more but those are the major flaws I'm seeing from just looking at the build straight away.

So yeah, you've essentially come up with a good R/A build for Vaetirrs, although I can't really comment on that as I don't have a Ranger to test it on. I can say right away that for a caster, it sucks. First off I am the ranger friend that warcry is speaking of. I am cautious by nature and expressed to him that I knew I wouldn't be able to do the FoW farm most were going to be doing. I settled for doing 3 to 4 quests in the UW (vale, chamber, escort, and mountains) since I'm most comfortable there. I know spawns, skills and timing down there. That yields ONLY 25-35k exp in roughly 45 minutes which would take me two weeks to do by doing 4 runs a day everyday.

For this build my attributes where as follows 15 expertise 12 shadow arts and 3 in deadly arts (believe that's the attribute since I'm typing this on my phone). With the skills 4-8 I take ZERO let me repeat ZERO damage the ENTIRE time. I was wielding an asuran earth staff of enchanting (due to farming raptors on my ranger). I dealt 21 damage AoE with alkars and able to cast 2 to 3 times safely before having to recast shadow form plus about two casts of rad field (-6 health dgen) and the ebon standard. My timing will get better so I'm sure my damage will increase per second.

Now all my EotN titles are maxed so that would be the ONLY reason why someones damage isn't the same as mine. In the end I got close to 100k exp out of all the runs we did tonight.

I appreciate the help that I was given in doing this and in the fact that he is willing to share with the guru community. It greatly helps those who need a build that is able to farm close to 100k exp in roughly an hour or less as we were discussing so timeframe would be off. I will edit this post later with screen shots.

Before posting that u think a build is bad perhaps test it out first. As warcry stated it is slower then your average e/me bar BUT it will get me my title much faster then the two weeks it would've taken me doing the 3-4 quests in the uw.

Radiation field is sort of wasted skill - they only get slight degen at start.
And stating you take zero dmg from the skills you use - welcome to the world of using sf - us a/me , a/mo , me/a , mo /a , n/a , a/n , p/a , a/d and lastly d/a can all farm vaetires and take zero dmg .There was a r/a build already out ( one of the pvx sites had it i think ) and it relied on splash dmg from using err its the prep skill that deals exploding arrows and not the burning one ( too early in morning for brain to work correctly ).
-6 degen for the few secs at start and vaetires being non fleshy .. not really worth it sadly.
The r/a ive seen doesnt rely on a bonder hero and tbh i almost fell asleep when i tried it - slow wasnt the word

For you to say slow isn't the word..dumb is my word to you. It doesn't take that much longer then my ele does when I've used her. And as the post above my first one states it is a good build for all experience levels. And considering the fact that I nor the OP use pvxwiki..kudos to him for using his brain instead of someone elses. Time for me isn't a factor and might not be for others, the fact that it is safe to use to gain the survivor title again kudos to the OP for his help to me so that I don't have to spend 45 minutes for 25-35k exp.

Radiation field is sort of wasted skill - they only get slight degen at start.
And stating you take zero dmg from the skills you use - welcome to the world of using sf - us a/me , a/mo , me/a , mo /a , n/a , a/n , p/a , a/d and lastly d/a can all farm vaetires and take zero dmg .There was a r/a build already out ( one of the pvx sites had it i think ) and it relied on splash dmg from using err its the prep skill that deals exploding arrows and not the burning one ( too early in morning for brain to work correctly ).
-6 degen for the few secs at start and vaetires being non fleshy .. not really worth it sadly.
The r/a ive seen doesnt rely on a bonder hero and tbh i almost fell asleep when i tried it - slow wasnt the word Radiation Field is universal, like I said, IT IS SLOW, but it works for ANY profession. It's not a perfect build, I know that, but all that matters is it works. Professions that can better utilize AoE skills of their own can obviously kill faster than this does, but for professions that may be unable to cause AoE damage quickly (Dervish, Warrior, Necromancer Ritualist), they can use this if they want to. Although thinking about it, the Necromancer may be able to use Demonic Flesh or something to cause damage faster. But that isn't the point. The point is ANY PROFESSION CAN USE IT. I didn't say it is going to decimate in about 3 minutes, I said it was slow, but it's safe, and it works. That's all that matters.

Although thinking about it, the Necromancer may be able to use Demonic Flesh or something to cause damage faster. This is the direction we ought to be developing things in though. We can probably make a decent survivor vaettir farmer for every class. For example I've been running a dervish build that can maintain permanent AoE burn, which achieves the same result as the P/A farmer.

A thought occoured to me that since we're using bonders, we might be able to abuse nature spirits on them. Perhaps quicksand + famine. That's plenty class universal.

This is the direction we ought to be developing things in though. We can probably make a decent survivor vaettir farmer for every class. For example I've been running a dervish build that can maintain permanent AoE burn, which achieves the same result as the P/A farmer.

A thought occoured to me that since we're using bonders, we might be able to abuse nature spirits on them. Perhaps quicksand + famine. That's plenty class universal. I agree Fox. As I said in my original post, I'm sure people can turn what I posted into something better, it was nearly 2 in the morning when I came up with it.

Radiation field is sort of wasted skill - they only get slight degen at start.
And stating you take zero dmg from the skills you use - welcome to the world of using sf - us a/me , a/mo , me/a , mo /a , n/a , a/n , p/a , a/d and lastly d/a can all farm vaetires and take zero dmg .There was a r/a build already out ( one of the pvx sites had it i think ) and it relied on splash dmg from using err its the prep skill that deals exploding arrows and not the burning one ( too early in morning for brain to work correctly ).
-6 degen for the few secs at start and vaetires being non fleshy .. not really worth it sadly.
The r/a ive seen doesnt rely on a bonder hero and tbh i almost fell asleep when i tried it - slow wasnt the word Just for fun I tried something like that;




It worked, but I have to say that the vatteirs scatter making it a bit annoying.

Hehe, helping a Ranger friend get Survivor, so I came up with this for her to use, they die slowly, but it works with a bonder, Balthazar's Spirit is all that is needed, so enjoy. The build is good for any profession, but of course certain professions already have their own more efficient farming methods for it.
The reason I noted the ranger one was b/c your friend was a ranger....Ofc there is: which can be used by any prof having no titles, but there's no reason to when u have better/more fun/more interesting options.

If using a bonder hero one might as well take advantage of mutiple enchants. Life Barrier+life bond basically frees up every slot on ones bar besides SF and dp/sq to hasten killing. Might as well bring Soh, Ess bond, blessed sig, with balth while we are at it. Making the basic /Any vatteir builds to look like:


with options to fill in the rest to taste

If using a bonder hero one might as well take advantage of mutiple enchants. Life Barrier+life bond basically frees up every slot on ones bar besides SF and dp/sq to hasten killing. Might as well bring Soh, Ess bond, blessed sig, with balth while we are at it. Making the basic /Any vatteir builds to look like:


with options to fill in the rest to taste Essence Bond won't do anything. It returns energy to the caster if the enchanted ally takes physical or elemental damage greater than zero, but you want to reduce damage to zero. The bonder can simply cast Balthazar's Spirit on itself and the player to return energy to both of them.

edit: Is Shadow Form's reduction another exception?

Never mind, I answered my own question. Essence Bond does nothing, whether cast on the bonder or the player, because the damage in both cases is zero.

Radiation field is sort of wasted skill - they only get slight degen at start.
And stating you take zero dmg from the skills you use - welcome to the world of using sf - us a/me , a/mo , me/a , mo /a , n/a , a/n , p/a , a/d and lastly d/a can all farm vaetires and take zero dmg .There was a r/a build already out ( one of the pvx sites had it i think ) and it relied on splash dmg from using err its the prep skill that deals exploding arrows and not the burning one ( too early in morning for brain to work correctly ).
-6 degen for the few secs at start and vaetires being non fleshy .. not really worth it sadly.
The r/a ive seen doesnt rely on a bonder hero and tbh i almost fell asleep when i tried it - slow wasnt the word Necro/Assassin can farm them without a bonder? I'd like to see a build for that as I've had energy issues trying it on my necro.


I found that the bonder along with rad field, oppressive gaze, alch acid, demonic flesh and you are all weaklings killed them faster then just trying degen and acid.

At first I tried you are all weaklings, oppressive gaze and sig of corruption for engery gain but it refreshes too slow and of course they're not fleshy so they don't bleed or poison at all or seem to disease either. Weakness works fine on them though for damage reduction and a hex to fuel the signet.


EDIT:

By the way this should work fine for a bonder so you don't need 2. Balth spirit goes on both of you. With all of the below bonds on the monk is at -2 energy regen but blessed signet should return 14 energy per use every 10 seconds with divine favor of 8. More then enough until you start getting hit by the vaettir, which at that point the monk won't need to use it.

Life barrier, Life bond, Balth spirit, mending, watchful spirit, blessed signet.
(can add signet of devotion and maybe dash if you really wanted to ).