UWsC DLway Teambuild+usage(IN DEPTH GUIDE)

Quote: Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

Quote: Originally Posted by Daldaen

uhh, why Mending on E/Mo? Wouldn't Aura of Restoration be best option? its not for the emo its for the chamber prevents losing health from bleeding(look up aaxte skill list)

Quote: Originally Posted by Fear Thorin

its not for the emo its for the chamber prevents losing health from bleeding(look up aaxte skill list) At 3-7 Healing Prayers mending does +2 pips........there has to be a better option for a skill than this. Extinguish, Draw Conditions, Dismiss Conditions, Mend Ailment, Mend Condition, or Smite Condition. One could use Bowl of Scalefin Soup for +1 pip...Bleeding is -3 pips, not really detrimental. I noticed Soothing Images on Chamber which would prevent use of Gash and Sever Artery once applied, making me think Extinguish would be a reasonable condition removal. IDK, just a thought.

you get the +1 from grail, mending also unlike the alternative you posted is a enchantment, so it help the emo spamming ability too.

we are not sure why but the chamber tank gets hit by sever artery even though soothing is constantly. my theory Is that the AI only uses sever when the target is not under bleeding. this allows them to spread it's usage between all the aatxes.

anyways, bleeding is a problem, especially on the longer pulls and mending does the job well.

this is good.

Quote: Originally Posted by lishi

you get the +1 from grail, mending also unlike the alternative you posted is a enchantment, so it help the emo spamming ability too. The ER maintains mending on themselves as well?

Sry for pressing the Mending issue...if using Skale Fin Soup +1 pip (w/grail would drop bleeding to 1 pip...i.e. 2 dmg/sec) wouldn't something else would be more useful than Mending? Not necessarily any of the ones I mentioned b4 but anything. (note* I am comparing +2 pip of mending to +1 pip of soup, thus +1 pip use of skill slot)

Quote: Originally Posted by Essence Snow

The ER maintains mending on themselves as well? Ok, Please DO NOT Ask Questions, Before ACUALLY READING The Post. Thankyou, have a nice Day.

Yeah this build looks great for guilds but its a FAIL for PUGs.

Good job, builds work. My only problem (this is editorial, just look at the first 2 phrases if you want my review): You play UW either for money or for fun. For money, using personal cons is counterproductive. For fun, you aren't focusing on speed unless that's whats fun.

But either way, nice job.

To people that want candy-less builds: You won't get a 1 cons run without being jacked up on candy.

This will never be PUG'd (I hope, unless those stupid idiots decide its a better PUG than terraway). I will never join a PUG team of this. Ever.

Watchful Spirit could replace Mending; shorter cast, extra 5 energy to cast and 5s extra recharge and has the benefit of an absolutely meagre 50-80hp heal on removal depending on personal cons used when cast.

It could be very very slightly helpful to PuGs, but I doubt the heal would really have much benefit.

Looks like a great build and team nice work!

Quote: Originally Posted by Essence Snow

The ER maintains mending on themselves as well?

Sry for pressing the Mending issue...if using Skale Fin Soup +1 pip (w/grail would drop bleeding to 1 pip...i.e. 2 dmg/sec) wouldn't something else would be more useful than Mending? Not necessarily any of the ones I mentioned b4 but anything. (note* I am comparing +2 pip of mending to +1 pip of soup, thus +1 pip use of skill slot) Im really the only one who has ran the chamber bar, being the one that mending would be put on. When we go for speed we don't use it, but normal organized guildteams it would be very helpful, since who uses skalefin soup? It minimizes the bleeding you take from aatxes, which should only truly be for the first time its put on you, when you start casting soothing, but it isnt really expected, and unwelcome troubles may show up, as in skeletons, so if your health is already low from bleeding, you'll go poof, because chances are you wont notice the little -100 among all the +1's and 0's.

Mending or Watchful Spirit are very helpful. The E/Mo does not need Aura, he can just put mending on himself and get back more then enough health and only 1 less energy everytime he casts.

Mending or Watchful Spirit are very helpful.

PS I know I repeated

Also for the chamber bar. Run survivors with a +5e spear, and +45/stance and -20% bleeding shield. Suggested runes+ a -bleeding rune. Only use one of the following: Apple or Cupcake. More health will result in prot bond doing less reduction, making Tortured hit through your SFA, which isn't fun.
Best checkpoint times so far:



Ive got a 6min vale pop somewhere and a 12min wrathful/escort complete, ill post em later

Ive debated whether to post or not but since this post was presented as "DLway" then I guess I have some small obligation to try and help answer a few questions etc.

First off this post came as a bit of a surprise since most of us in the team that work on the UW speed clears were collaborating on offering a version of our clear that would be more forgiving for guild/semi-pug style groups to use and we were not aware that Thorin was going to post up something like this without consulting anyone else involved But it's not dramatically different than what would have been offered (as has been pointed out, most UW clears are similar in many ways regardless of specifics) so it's a place to start anyway.

Quote: Originally Posted by The Feeding Thank god, finally released, Glory has had us doing some octoway thats been taking an hour.

Nice work, but, if you Just took a UWG+Terra/perma (Wastes/pools) + Perma(Mnts/pits) and a standard emo(The runnee's or *pugs* being ran would be helping in vale). Could this be another 4man running strategy? in class atm so i can't go into it, but if it could, Would it be able to be done in under an hour?


EDIT: Also, as i usually will run emo, Is it a nessisity to run rainbow candies?(I will always run red) but will blue+green be a must? and i know its reccomended, but if its a chance to make the run faster then im popping.


-Oblivion Actually you can run UW with just 3 people if you are into the whole "Running UW full run+chest" bit in Doomlore. It would be easier and faster with a team of 4 or 5 but less lucrative. (for 3 people take emo, mnts sin build and modify chamber build removing cry and put in ebsh)

It certainly isn't necessary to run a rainbow for any area but a pie and/or rock candy is nice for some of the longer cast times of some spells. (red rock is plenty for emo)

Quote: Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke Not the easiest of posts/guides to read.

About how long does it take you to complete everything besides Dhuum? A fast and organized team running a build similar to the build presented can be finished a little under 9min from the moment they tele to wastes (9min includes wastes quest+traveling to dhuum etc). In a decent guild group I would plan on 10-12min from wastes tele until end-chest. You can do the math backwards from there to see if people are on track for one conset.

Quote: Originally Posted by Fear Thorin response to "why mending"? its not for the emo its for the chamber prevents losing health from bleeding(look up aaxte skill list) It is common to take infuse instead of mending (tell your chamber to take restoration rune and a 20% reduced bleeding on one of his shield-sets is always nice).

bleeding is a real problem for chamber because of the amount of time holding agro and the limited slots and various skills needed on their bar. there just isn't room for a heal. Giving mending to the emo will save a lot of possible bleeding issues for chamber and require no extraordinary skill on the part of the emo. this is a more puggable version of a speed run after all.

Quote: Originally Posted by ungle2 Im really the only one who has ran the chamber bar, being the one that mending would be put on. When we go for speed we don't use it, but normal organized guildteams it would be very helpful, since who uses skalefin soup? It minimizes the bleeding you take from aatxes, which should only truly be for the first time its put on you, when you start casting soothing, but it isnt really expected, and unwelcome troubles may show up, as in skeletons, so if your health is already low from bleeding, you'll go poof, because chances are you wont notice the little -100 among all the +1's and 0's.

Mending or Watchful Spirit are very helpful. The E/Mo does not need Aura, he can just put mending on himself and get back more then enough health and only 1 less energy everytime he casts.

Mending or Watchful Spirit are very helpful.

PS I know I repeated

Also for the chamber bar. Run survivors with a +5e spear, and +45/stance and -20% bleeding shield. Suggested runes+ a -bleeding rune. Only use one of the following: Apple or Cupcake. More health will result in prot bond doing less reduction, making Tortured hit through your SFA, which isn't fun. Thank you for the reply. It was much better than one other person gave.....lol

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Originally Posted by Fear Thorin Ok, Please DO NOT Ask Questions, Before ACUALLY READING The Post. Thankyou, have a nice Day.

I don't see this being PuGable at all (not that it matters, right? lolpugs) but,l good job on the low time.

So... I guess the SF nerf officially failed...

Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon

So... I guess the SF nerf officially failed... It achieved exactly what it was intended to do. It brought a lot more diversity/character types into elite areas.

Quote: Originally Posted by Aias

It achieved exactly what it was intended to do. It brought a lot more diversity/character types into elite areas. Right, we've gone from what was basically 1 build for 1 class to a staggering total of of 4 basic builds across 3 whole classes!! If we get any more diversity in there, UWSC teams might end up as heterogeneous as Tea Bagger rallies or KKK meetings!

Quote: Originally Posted by Chthon

Right, we've gone from what was basically 1 build for 1 class to a staggering total of of 4 basic builds across 3 whole classes!! If we get any more diversity in there, UWSC teams might end up as heterogeneous as Tea Bagger rallies or KKK meetings! the more specific the goals you set, the more specific the bars you take must be...

The main reason for the nerf was economy. If some pro guilds can still speedclear Anet could care, it's only when your average slob can jump to the end chest that ectos take a dive in value. If this does not catch on in pugs then I'm sure Anet will be satisfied.