So, what the farming nerf really means

So in other words, to solve a problem that is not nearly as bad as you make it out to be, beat the shit out of skills used in particular farming builds so that they will never see use in any build ever again. Then, take the time to buff the shit out of classes that people QQ about. Sounds like you need to rethink things. GW is about being able to play with teamwork or alone and ANET promotes solo play, the accomplished their goal of slowing things down without destroying them. Everything is fine as it is. Skills can be reworked to be very good without having a particular use in farming. And yeah, classes that people QQ about aught to be buffed. I've deleted both my ranger and my dervish, because there is just no reason to have either class at the moment, and that's a shame.

I don't understand why anyone would be against making it easy to get stuff, and buffing underused classes. Neither of those idea's seem to be contrary to anyone's enjoyment. Will you quit if mesmers are good, and you can get money by playing the game without using X-team build or Y-solo farmer?

But what you're talking about is making farming(easy) impossible, and making dungeon runs, etc.(pretty easy) rediculously easy. All you're talking about doing is making things extremely easy for those who don't farm which will take the fun out of it for those that already find every hardmode dungeon easy. Farming is fine for use as is solo play and team play. Most professions are completely fine, but people don't like that others can do things better than those. I know of several Dervish and Ranger builds that can completely outdo any build of other professions. Stop staring at PvX and expecting the builds posted to be the only ones that you can use. The game is about versatility and you want everything to follow a linear model of uniformity, I don't see how people can want to make the game easier. It is absurd how easy it is right now. 1) dungeon runs don;t get any easier, only more rewarding.
2) You must really love farming. How is that any harder than dungeon runs?

3)Dervish and ranger builds that can outdo any other profession? Well, i guess you're right. Dervishes can outdo any other profession at standing around for an hour casting enchantments, then hitting once for 200 damage, and Rangers can outdo other classes at interrupting...except in hard mode where things cast on steroids (or degening things to death slooooooly...or running and hiding and constantly rezing a pet with the worst AI ever). At least mesmers have VoR and can spam necrosis (oh wait, they nerfed lyssa's aura+necrosis....)

4) I'm fighting linear uniformity. I don't want to have to use the cookie cutter farming or speedclear team to make money. I want to run something fun that will finish the dungeon, and get a decent reward out of it.

1) dungeon runs don;t get any easier, only more rewarding.
2) You must really love farming. How is that any harder than dungeon runs?

3)Dervish and ranger builds that can outdo any other profession? Well, i guess you're right. Dervishes can outdo any other profession at standing around for an hour casting enchantments, then hitting once for 200 damage, and Rangers can outdo other classes at interrupting...except in hard mode where things cast on steroids (or degening things to death slooooooly...or running and hiding and constantly rezing a pet with the worst AI ever). At least mesmers have VoR and can spam necrosis (oh wait, they nerfed lyssa's aura+necrosis....)

4) I'm fighting linear uniformity. I don't want to have to use the cookie cutter farming or speedclear team to make money. I want to run something fun that will finish the dungeon, and get a decent reward out of it. At least they have wishful thinking.

Where A-Net went wrong in PvE in my opinion (yes I have posted this on the 900 QQ PvE r bad nao threads):
Arena Net nerfed an instance/area/dungeon instead of the overpowered build used to run it. Arena Net nerfed game content that they created. Wait wut? Someone repeat that, gaming company nerfed a whole instance rather then nerfing the OP build used to farm it, and then on top of it nerfed the overpowered build as well? Wait wut? I still dont get this.

Go no reward for finally completing a mission after 2 hours with a shitter pug that could have failed at the last moment and took 1 hour and 59 minutes of your life away with virtually no reward rather then 2 pixels that mean oh so much? Wait wut? I'm still in disbelief.

Thats why I PvP, which is getting nerf batted and stale meta'd and 'MY WAY OR GTFO' from Guru right now, well actually after reading some of the common QQ's and then looking at the posters history, they are usually the reason for most of the retarded shit that has happened to guild wars over the years.

Shitters give advice, Arena Net listens, Arena nets playerbase becomes progressively shittier. Big Surprise.

Before I say anything, let me just make it clear that I never did speed clears with SF. I recently rejoined the game after a 6 month hiatus, and these are just my observations.


Alright, firstly, ecto prices have risen. This serves to add to the fortune of anyone who already was farming the UW with SF teams.

Secondly, the nerf didn't go far enough in ending the speed clears. They are still possible, but they need much more cohesive teams, making them much harder for the average guild wars play to become involved in. Teams now are much more likely to be guild teams that are highly experienced. This raises the bar for players who want to participate in elite areas with success.


In my opinion (and this is just me), the only viable solution is to completely flatten speedclears with the nerfbat. Go through and nerf enough skills so that the insanely fast runs we've seen in the past are never possible again.

Then, go through and buff underused classes (rangers, dervish, mesmers, paragons).

lastly, to compensate for the area's slower completion time, greatly increase the drop rates on rare items, ectos, and chest drops.


This would serve to allow better players (who will still complete runs faster), to garner the same amount of riches, while giving players that have less time, have more laid-back guilds, or who play underpowered classes a crack at those same areas.

comments? (if I messed up my grammar, forgive me, I'm very tired) Buff underused classes; where do you think Shadow Form came from? It got buffed about two yeas ago because no one was playing assassins.
Increase drop rates? Loot Scaling applies to most drops but not to any of the item classes you are refering too. We have been lead to believe that the drop rates for rare items, ectos and chest drops have not changed since the introduction of Hard Mode. Oh, wait... Hard mode simply improves the odds of rare drops, or so we are told.

Basicly, Arena Net has been trying to keep players happy while allocating almost no resourses to it. Many of the changes they made since the introduction were requested by players. Fans of PvP pushed PvP into the core of Factions (we all know how that turned out). Solo players go thier wish for equipable henchmen with changeable builds (Heros) with the addation of NightFall so now PuG are at the very least difficult to find. I guess when a bad idea gets yelled loud enough and long enough it becomes a good idea.