Why is Sundering considered 'perfect' when Vamp does more DPS overall.

I tried some Vamp and Sundering weapons on the Master of Damage(Axe, Bow, Sword), either autoattacking or using a set amount of attack skills.

Every time Vampiric had a higher overall damage.

So why do people want Sundering while Vamp does more damage?

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looks good in peoples eyes. They say its perfect so they can sell it. Thats about it.

Sunder = piercing armor/weakening armor

Vamp = DPS damage ability increased after sunder is done.

Both work well but Sunder isn't crap by itself, neither is Vamp. Try vamp after sunder see if it makes it better.

Maybe they don't like the -1 HP degen? The degen looks "scary" and some pug-monks may moan about it.

Using vamp weapons mostly means switching weaponsets a lot, while you can use the same sundering weapon without switching because of health loss.

I prefer vamp, because it negates all defences. Life stealing is better then armor penetration imo.

Well, perfect just means that the mod cant get any better... a 20/20 sundering mod is perfect, a 20/19 is not.

A 5/-1 vampiric mod is perfect, a 4/-1 is not...

The quest is more: why is sundering more populair? Answer: because it has no conditions...

When used well a perfect vampiric mod does a lot more damage (life stealing) than a perfect sundering mod, but lots of players arent good enough to use a vamp mod well... and they are scared of the -1 health degeneration.

Oh gawd, here we go again...... This topic has already been debated to death, several times.

Bottom line - overall there is very little, if any, difference in total damage between Vamp and Sundering over the course of a battle. Those that say one does "a lot more damage" than the other, usually just haven't done any real in-game testing.

Use which ever floats your boat. Personally, I use Sundering (when it's a choice between just those two) because I'm too lazy/forgetful to swap out the vamp weapon. In either case, the majority of damage is done by skills added on top of the base weapon damage.

because people are blithering idiots, the gavel is down.

Vamp is generally considered superior from a mathematical perspective.

There is two reasons sundering is worth more... 1) Bigger numbers, 20 sounds better then 3, so the uneducated in this game just assume it is better 2) Rarity. This is the big difference. A perfect sundering mod, because there are bigger numbers, just drops less often then perfect vamp mods (or at least did, back when mods actually had value prior to raptor farming). Thus they are more expensive. And thus in many people's eyes "better."

I use zealous and furious mostly but when the need arises vamp is the mod i prefer...

I remember trying to sell perfect weapons (vamp) and some dude said I was trying to scam him because it wasn't sundering. I laughed so hard. It's funny!

Vamp is superior to sundering. sundering only affects RAW damage. so a sword has a 20% chance to do 21-25 instead of 17-21. Woohoo! (Atleast that what I heard.) So on daggers,swords its crap, on a scythe,hammer it's more usefull.

In pve I can understand why people want sundering tho. Pve is easy anyway, so why swap weapons all the time when you can be lazy.

1. Community has not widely acknowledged the empirical fact that Vampiric provides more DPS than Sundering.
2. Community at large faers the -1 health degeneration and is too stupid to bring a weapon swap and use it properly.
3. Convention. Tying back to 1, this is the way it's been done, so it will continue to be done as such.

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're saying right, but Sundering acts only on hits that occur while the Sunder-modded weapon are attached. It doesn't leave effects like weakened armor that benefit when switching to Vampiric. You may not have meant this at all, so I apologize in advance if I'm reading your post wrong. Either way, this has been debated endlessly, and Vampiric has been proven to be the highest damage output mod.

I don't think you are missing the point Feng. He said a couple times "after sundering is done"

Sundering doesn't leave an effect, it has a chance to ignore a portion of armor while wielding a sundering weapon.

As per the question asked, I'd say it's just general ignorance. Like has been said, the -1 tends to turn people off, and sundering has bigger numbers.

Sundering might have bigger numbers, but vamp has more numbers.

You really need to go read up on weapon mods and damage on the wiki, because this has to be the most incorrect post on this topic I've ever seen, and this debate has raged for nearly 5 years now.

People prefer quality over quantity I guess.

If you are ready to begin your studies in the art of weapon swapping, make sure you bring an ebon weapon aswell, most warriors will have 20 less armor vs elemental, and also -3 damage reduction vs elemental (because most warriors equip superior absorption). Ebon vs the typical warrior will do more damage than vamp.

My outlook is who cares?

It works better for me when the community thinks a certain mod is better than others. It allows me to get the mods I want at prices that aren't ridiculously inflated.

People put so much stock into sundering that they ignore the rest and practically give them away. Which allows for people who like to think outside the community standard's box to reap the benefits.

My advice, let the people do as they please, it just means less money spent for you on mods.

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