Discuss general pve hero usage.

why ootv ?

isnt aotl's recharge very long ? why do you like it then ?

also, does ootv affect minions ?

what is the purpose of fallback really ? general IMS to get from places to places quickly or do you rely on it as a kind of healing ? seeing how fallback "Ends for an ally if that ally hits with an attack." i guess it's only for healing casters then ? o.o

also, you know that heroes only cast AotL after it has expired right ? o.o check wikipedia entry . OoV because I bring physical hench/heroes+physical friend generally.

OoV affects Party Members only. ie. No minions.

Fallback is used as a general IMS, yes. It also heals Minions and allows them to keep up. AotL raises alot of corpses in a short amount of time, when it's recharging, Animate Bone minions usually keeps Livia full of minions. That, er, wasn't a euphemism.

It's better than Jagged Bones when it comes to speed certainly. And I know about the bug, heroes only cast it after it expires, but I generally tend to micro it if I notice it about to end. It's not a bother though, still 11 Minion count.

You mean great .

When do you cast AP ? When the foe is at 30% or at 50% ? or lower ? higher maybe ?

I cast mine at the start of the match . I dont like having to try cast AP and a spike on the foe caused me to not get AP in on time . then i have to find another foe to recharge my skills .

Anyway,

In low corpse areas, what do you swap your MM out for ?

Is there a OotV build somewhere on PvX ? Can't find one . Low corpse areas I either bring a paragon or a ranger with a pet. Apparently there's an OoV build on "trial" on PvX... Check that out.

I cast AP usually after I've cast Barbs. Depends on their health, how rapidly it drops. I don't use Discord so they don't die instantly; I believe you do, however?

i used to . i got tired of constantly calling . and if you don't call, discord doesnt seem to work properly .

i'm using an AotL MM like you mentioned .

AotL, Rising Bile, Animate bone minions, death nova, masochism sp?, prot spirit, aegis, dwayna's sorrow.

Death magic 12+1+1
Soul reaping 8+1
Protection prayers 9
Healing prayers 5

Should i get a sup death rune ?

ER protter

Energy storage 12+1+1
Prot 12

same build as yours

and an SoS Hybrid

SoS, Painful bond, Spirit Siphon, life, protective was kaolai, spirit light, mend body and soul and splinter weapon.

Channeling 12+2
Restoration 12+1+1 or the otherway round. both works. You will want 16 death on any MM build, so yes Sup rune on headpiece.
Never liked Dwayna's sorrow other than a cover-enchant. The healing doesn't really do much for me, would rather take another prot or hex removal.

Also, if this is for physicals, why bother with SoS? It creates 3 damage-dealing spirits that can't move. I don't find it practical in this setup.

Well OotV only buffs the physicals in your team . and in your team, there is probably no more than 3 other physicals, you as the MoP nuker, an MM, a physical buffer and 2 monks.

How much more damage can you get from OotV ? 15 x 4 = 60 .
SoS on the other hand deals 30 x 3 - 90 . which can be increased to 50 x 3 by painful bond . Their damage is armour ignoring as well .

An SoS Rit can probably heal more than that blood of well + nightmare weapon .

I don't think you need that many weapon spells . I don't know how heroes cast weapon spells and who they prioritize . Splinter weapon is usually enough .

Okay you help your physicals by giving them mark of fury . that's something a rit cannot do .

You can strip an enchant, I have Rigor Mortis . I don't see a need for enchant removal when you have so many minions + 3 physicals + 90 armour ignoring damage . They die too fast . There's no point stripping fire attunement off an ele boss because you already know that bosses have insane HP / MP Regen / Pool . And PI finishes the job faster .

I don't see a need for ressurection skills because I don't plan on dying . Do you ?

So the only thing your OotV can do better than my Rit is buffing physicals with mark of fury . Oh and it's not a spammable skill with a 10 recharge . Since you're gonna buff them with additional damage, Mark of Fury is gonna take a longer time to recharge than compared to the time taken for a foe to die .

If it takes you less than 30 seconds to finish a group, take into consideration the time required to move on to the next group . I have no troubles keeping SoS up before i enter a any match . I like taking on mobs at one time so yeah .. Haven't died once yet .

As suggested, I might get a hex removal . I have enough prots from that ER Protter already . lol .



thats how fast spirits attack . It's even better than discord once you get PB on the foe (usually bosses since they last longer) .

Do correct me if i'm wrong . Firstly, spirit's attack every two seconds. Your physicals will be attacking at eith +25/33% IAS, therefore inflicting more damage in the same time frame. Also OoV heals while dealing damage.

Spirits are easily destructible. Also it doesn't take me long to get through a mob, and to run to the next one I either have Essence or Fall Back.

OoV doesn't buff just the physicals, it also buffs the casters with spears, which occurs alot not. Lifesteal goes through all the prots... Except LS and RoF.

That's why we use rangers (at least I do) Yeah, and if you want a good ranger hero:
Incendiary Arrows, Rapid Fire, Comfort Animal-
Lots of MoP triggers, especially if you take lots of 1/4 casts.

OoV is alot more maintainable with that extra one second duration, believe it or not.