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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X
Yea that was me, I'm trying to prove that the dungeon is can't be done at all without getting a run.
thank you captain obvious, I could have said a hellhole full of Stone Summit Dwarfs under steroids.
But at least give me some well-thought out feedback on the build I ran for Vloxen. I still want to use Discordway since I feel that it's the only build in HM that is smoothly capable of vanquishing and doing dungeons.
One of the reasons I increasingly hate Discordway is that lots of people seem to be convinced that it is the PvE build capable of vanquishing and doing dungeons, ignorant to other builds as well as the weaknesses of Discordway. Just look at ZQs for example, people will ask for Discord partners. As though 6-man Discordway is the most effective!
Discordway may be strong and universal, but it has several weaknesses you must be aware of before you attempt to apply the build:
1. Lack of bodies is the single biggest weakness of Discordway;
2. No hex removal;
3. Weak before you get a sizable army of minions.
4. All professions are locked - you need N/Mo, N/Rt x2.
Take a look at Vloxen's HM and see if you can identify problems with running Discordway. Do you need hex removal? Not really, well Arcane Conundrum is a bit dangerous but that's all, you can count on Mhenlo to Deny Hexes and remove some. Is there a lack of bodies? Not really, although there are Ooze popups and such - BUT you are facing Stone Summit MMs who will outcompete your own MMs to the bodies, since they have HM fast casting. If you can overwhelm the first mob you will also have a complement of minions that you can use to beat the next mob, etc. Still, you have to overwhelm the first mob first!
Then take a look at the dungeon itself. There's one painful mob to face on level 1. Can you beat that? What about the first mob on level 2 when you have no minions? It is honorable 8v8 there. Can you beat that? What if the Stone Summit Summoners beat you to the bodies, can you overwhelm them regardless? The Stone Summit have resses, can you deal with those?
What makes you think Discordway is the best build to use against this dungeon?
If you cannot imagine using other builds, then you will fail, and keep failing. But you can't prove that the dungeon cannot be done without getting a run, because it can, and here's a thread to prove it:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10378692
Of course the screenshot I uploaded there is rather obselete. The build gets through Vloxen's HM alright, but playing a player offensive character is considerably faster than playing a player defensive character. With the new Ritualist buffs every dungeon I've tried - and I've H/H'ed every dungeon except Shards, which I have not attempted - can be done with a player offensive character. Run two spirit spammers + a MM, and you can still slot Frozen Soil onto one of the Rits, and voila! Problem solved.
PS: Said this before, will say it again. Vloxen's HM is not the hardest dungeon in the game. Duncan HM has you facing the same mobs, except the very first one you face (i.e. before you get any bodies) has two Monks. And you need to have Swap somewhere, and possibly Signet of Sorrow. Forgewight HM is even harder. Summit healers healing Burning Spirits, and the terrain can be constricted, and you might have to face some mobs 8v9, them being the 9.
I kid you not when I say Vloxen's HM is reasonably easy. Compared to most of PvE it's pretty hard, yes. But it's still easily H/H'able, and compared to the hardest areas in the game it's really quite insignificant.
