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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr
Do we really have to go over why rock/paper/scissors is a very bad way for a game to be balanced? I'm pretty sure we've been down this road before.
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Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock
doesn't change the fact they bring it...and it takes forever to shutdown, if at all possible.
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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
Wait, so the problem with Defy Pain is that people are too stupid to switch targets? And you want to fix that by nerfing Defy Pain instead of fixing the actual problem (learn2play)?
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Originally Posted by pinguinius
Most MMO and RTS games are balanced by rock, paper, scissors. It's a perfectly fine vision of game balance, though not the one that serves to minimize whining best.
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Originally Posted by Mad Lord of Milk
That's where you're wrong. "Defy Pain" Warriors CAN'T do things. They are quite frankly useless. They're not as important as other players, they're just like 55 monks in RA. That's how much damage they do.
The reason Defy Pain is not as strong as you make it sound is because every warrior has basic needs (below), which Defy Pain messes up. 1. Run skill/snare/KD 2. Healing 3. Resurrection Signet 4. Damage Along with Defy Pain, the first three things are going to take up at least 4 slots. So now you're left with (at most) 4 slots to make a build that can do at least half-assed damage with 4 regular warrior attack skills, and that's just not going to happen. |
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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
Wait, so the problem with Defy Pain is that people are too stupid to switch targets? And you want to fix that by nerfing Defy Pain instead of fixing the actual problem (learn2play)?
In what universe is balancing a game around your worst players a good idea? |
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Originally Posted by holymasamune
A lot of people don't know how to switch targets when they're c-spaced onto a defy warrior. Plus, running from a 1v1 is dishonorable, so you are required to fight a defy warrior to the death.
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Originally Posted by Reverend Dr
Skills that are either going to be useless or highly exploitable have no place in competitive format
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Originally Posted by bena
i believe one of the devs mentioned regretting having too many skills in guild wars. the implication being there will be fewer but well used/balanced skills in gw2.
defy pain is a free win in RA, just be patient. spend your time trolling the defy pain user if you want. ignore in ab ignore in jq, or cap a shrine or lead the war into the shrine.... the npcs will kill the nub lol. |
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Originally Posted by Azadaleou
I would be sort of disappointed to not see a lot of skills in GW2. What makes GW1 unique is the fact that there is so many skills to choose from, like a card deck. While its true that its probably hard to balance, its just a negative side to its pvp system. Every mmo has some sort of negative, whether it be a notorious grinding fest or overpowered classes.
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Originally Posted by Tyla
In my opinion, just nerf it for PvP.
Take RA for an example. Sure, it's a place for using stupid builds, but people sometimes go there just to burn a few minutes when they might not have much time. The skill is nothing but an annoyance, you can swap targets, but get this: In gametypes that aren't based on points, you're going to have to kill them somehow, and the huge defense gained from the skill just prolongs games pointlessly. You can interrupt Healing Signet, and they can cancel it freely without any loss too. |
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Originally Posted by Arkantos
If your team has a snare, the warrior isn't going to get adrenaline, therefore he's not going to use defy pain. If not, then you might as well nerf IMS's too, because there's nothing more annoying than runners at the end of a match. The huge defense gained from the ability to flee from your party just prolongs games pointlessly. But that logic isn't great, which is why neither are getting nerfed.
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Originally Posted by HuntMaster Avatar
People don't like a skill because they don't know how to get around it, so they cry for a nerf. Warriors are high hp, high armor, hard to kill characters who get in close and do a good amount of damage against low armor opponents.
Learn to switch targets. Learn to run away. Defy Pain is fine as it is. Just because its a useful skill doesn't mean it should be rendered less useful. I'm gonna make sure to run defy pain with my knockdown build now when I pvp, just for you people. /notsigned. What makes guildwars unique is it has more useless skills than any other mmo. Seriously, just going off the monk, how many condition removal skills can you fit on a bar? How many different heal spells do you need on a bar? Most of them suck. Elementalists have too many damage spells that are never used by anyone other than those players who don't know better. How many earth armor bonus spells do you need on a bar? Either remove all the useless skills, or allow two elites on a bar. One for each profession and then maybe most of the skills would be useful. Even then we would still end up with over 100 skills that no one uses. When you make a card deck, lets say magic the gathering. You don't build a 60 card deck with 20 useful cards and 20 pointless cards because they get in the way and it takes you longer to draw what you need to win. You make a 40 card meta deck in which every card you pull is going to hurt your opponent big time and help you out a lot. I used to win dozens of games in a row because too many people don't know the first thing about deck building. If characters were decks and you cluttered your bar up with "filler" skills, you would lose everytime because I'm going to only use what I need. I don't care what the skills called, what the art looks like or how popular it is. If its the best choice, it goes on the bar. If not, then I'v already forgotten about it and moved on to something useful. Your channel fireball combo got denied by my counter spell and now you have 1 life left. GG. My 1/1 goblin speed deck will beat your 5/5 dragon deck any day. |
