PvX dilemma

Once again while I was doing PvP some random guys began calling each other for noobs for running a PvX build. Each time stuff like this happens I cant help myself thinking whats so damn wrong with PvX? Almost every Build I saw, no metter if it was mine, those of my team mates or foes can actualy be found on PvX, with some decent explanation on how to use it.

I myself am a r10 Hero, 4 glad, which only shows that I do alot of PvP but I still can find myself surfin on PvX now and then.

So my question is, why do ppl hate PvX users that much? Whats so wrong with it?

People who make fun of other peoples builds suck themselves but just don't realize it.

Nothing is wrong with PvX BUILDS.
It's the fact that a lot of users who use "the meta" think things should be copied from PvX to the T, and that is it the "holy trinity" that should not be broken.
That said, it's also the people against PvXwiki builds who are idiots because they think it is cliche and overused, there for making is so called "gay", in their language.

Truth be told, both groups are dumb. But most of the PvXwiki haters are trolls.

Maybe because the players on PvX are mostly terrible.

Also, OMG UNORIGINAL COPY BUILD FROM OTHER PERSON NOOB

Anyone who PvPs a lot should probably know the meta well enough to make/copy/imitate builds themselves.

Also, any time you RA at all, you're bound to be called a noob.

PvX is the new Abominable Snowman and Spell Slasher stuff. It isn't original, and some people frown on them, despite their effectiveness.

Nothing is wrong with it. People just need to insult each other needlessly on the internet. Copying and pasting the newest spike build might not show creativity, but this isn't an art contest. It's a game, and why wouldn't you pick the best options available for you to win? No reason to reinvent the wheel.

people saying shit like that mostly have idiotic builds theirselves.

to start out im gonna say im not a pvi wiki hater i actually use it a lot. but there are af ew things about pvi wiki most pviwiki enthusiasts think you must follow them to a tee and this is where i argue with them pviwiki builds are there to a gist of a build and tailor it to your preferences or needs. the builds there work real well and can be used with effeciency but to get better you should tinker with builds a little to get them better for you and your style. those that sit there and only use pviwiki builds and dont try anything little different only limit themselves. pviwiki is a great source of knowledge good and bad but use it to get better and try making your own builds. youll find in a lot builds one skill here and there might be the way to go. but if you use pviwiki to expand your knowledge of builds of the how and why you made yourself a way better player and you might be the one who thinks up the next build to post there

Some people hate Wiki build users as a result of those users telling them they are an idiot for NOT using the latest Wiki build. It goes both ways. I've seen some people run a crap build with no synergy just to "be different", and I've seen others copy/paste a Wiki build and proceed to suck, because they have no clue how or why those skills work together.

Idiots are idiots. They just act so in different ways.

Has PvX progressed past the point where they recommend shittier versions of popular builds? They've always had builds that are better than what people come up with themselves, but they are usually not the best builds.

Some things on PvX can be highly suspect, PvE and PvP builds alike.
Usually there isn't much wrong with the builds, but they're rarely as strong as they could be.
Sometimes, you can get rather excellent builds on there too.

Alot of the time its the players on pvx that are bad, and so the builds get a bad reputation. Dont get me wrong builds vetted great on Pvx are there for a reason

I hate it when i see every assassin running the same build. But that only makes me a hypocrit because i have run the ps build (my variant) once, and i do surf pvx to see "In" builds.

It just bugs me when i see more than one person in the same match running the EXACT build off pvxwiki. I know they can be powerful, but it would be nice to see that they've used their brain and looked at skills, changed some whatever.

Not really sure how people can magically tell whether it's a build off wiki vs a build popular due to effectiveness if they come across it ingame. Any "original" build is probably being run by at least a few other people, no matter how bad it might be, simply due to the number of people who play. If it's a really effective build, expect far more people to be running it, skill for skill. Obs mode, word of mouth, etc... there's far more to a build's popularity than wiki.

Like Savio said, PvX is shitty versions of meta builds. They're copied down off obs wrong by PvErs and then everyone else assumes they're right, so of course you get scrubs running bars that are MEANT to look like the obs ones, but don't.

The irony is that they would have had to have spend prodigious amounts of time on PvX themselves to be so intimately acquainted with the builds that they can call you on having one....

In PvE it doesn't really matter what 6/8 team members are running. The only people that need decent builds are the monks.

It because there o so awesome original build is being flattened by better PvX builds