Enough about Faction. What about....

LIGHTBRINGER?

All these threads about faction gain, but nothing about LB.
Ill omit SS because it has and always will be hard to NOT max out SS just getting guardian of Elona or elona vanq

But now that the update is out, is there a better way to gain LB rank than to ride in the wurms and kill margonites? Is there a vanq that returns loads of LB rep? Or are the wurms still the fastest way?

I'm sure doing the wurm run is still a good option, not sure if its still the best. But you always could max out LB by vanquishing anyway so there always was more then 1 option.

The changes have at least made it so your get LB points while doing stuff you were doing anyway.

vanquishing in vabbi or the desolation gives 5xnumber of monsters killed lb points
plus any points you get from blessings.

doing DoA fully once from a while back (before ursan nerf) got my warrior from r3 lb to r5 lb on the update. doing the whole quest is 7200 points.

remains of salahja and shadow nexus give lb points on kill, more depending on monster.

all the missions starting on grand court of sebelkeh give lb points per completion level (most with masters) and more on hm

turning in a nm night falls book gives 6000 lb points if turned in to the npc at chantry of secrets. wiki is not updated with an actual value, but 9000 is expected from the hm book. the young heroes of tyria book gives 4500 points.

a bunch of secondary quests in kourna/vabbi/desolation/realm of torment now give lb points as a reward or have more lb points added to them from previous times

thats just about everything, thank the wiki.

Did you read the Lightbringer section of the update?
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Game_updates

Vanquishing gives you 5pts per kill
Books give you 6k NM or 9k HM (HM is an estimate)
Starting with Grand Court mission you receive LB pts for completion
There is a list of quests that reward LB pts.

Yeah, but the reason that people are focusing on faction more is because the max tier is so much more insane to get than the max of LB. It took only a few hours to max out LB on my monk with the wurm farm, and that isn't all that bad considering you get crap for LB points for just playing the game (or at least did).

As far as vanquishing being better, I can't really think of a place in particular, though I would assume that Vabbi is the prime choice since the Desolation can be a real bitch. I didn't have a hard time vanquishing Vehtendi Valley with two players and our heroes (no dedicated tank either), but I don't recall how long it took - I just know Wiki says there's 250 foes or so. Of course if you can get a 600/smite team, you should be able to vanquish a lot of places quickly and easily and possibly have runs better than farming (plus with potential of more good drops/chests).

DoA might be the best place for getting LB points still though.

Ya..you can worm farm you LB/SS title in a few days as the Kurz/Lux title is a chore. I started working on my kurz title shortly after Nightfall came out and im just about to get rank 11.
So being that LB/SS is much easier to obtain, i maxed that out on almost all my characters, where as the faction title is going to be a major grindfest.

Nobody's complaining about LB/SS since maybe 90% of the player base has already maxed both of them on at least one character.

Eh, not really. You could get maybe 10k LB points by vanquishing before. Still a long way for max.

Farming LB points from Margonites in "Requiem for a Brain" and "A Show of Force" is incredibly quick in comparison to Faction. See http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guide...omotion_points

Besides, 50,000 LB points is a drop in the bucket compared to 10,000,000 faction for Kurzick/Luxon savior. You can get that done in a weekend or two. For Kurzick/Luxon, you're still looking at around 400 hours, a massive grindfest.

i had 14k to go after the update and maxxed it this weekend vanqing. Get about 2k per area in vabbi...with the bonus mind you. But hey i got some areas vanqued too, so two birds and one stone...and less boring than wurm farming imho

Ya, I'd like to disagree lol. I'm kinda happy that they have new ways to get this title. I can't stand doing more than 3 runs of that wurm farm... >.<

If you have already vanquished Elone pre update, I'd just clean up some sidequests that reward LB points, and then finish up with the wurms.

I'm not saying that new ways to do the title is a bad thing. It's just that the old way wasn't really that bad. It took a few days of diligent work, and it should take some amount of work to max a title. If anything, they made it far too easy to acquire, but I'm glad that the caveat is that it can no longer be considered towards favor.

I suspect that this title update is so earning max Lightbringer on off-main characters will be less of a grind, and therefore more people will be able to take more than one character into DoA. Before, everyone was sick of wurm farms after they maxed the title on one character, and that character may not have been the best choice for DoA, however it was their main. I maxed mine on my Ritualist, and you rarely see them down there. I'll steamroll a Nightfall HM book with my ele and get into those retarded Cryway groups that seem to be the latest fad.

Not a QQ, just an observation. ^^

There has to be some error in calculating one's previous LB points. I remember I had a storage character almost full of Mallyx's greens... back from Ursan days. Storage char has 45 slots. So at least 35 - 40 greens from that chest which means 35 - 40 full runs then... And that's just on completed runs, goodness knows how many semi-completed runs I made.

At 7200 points per full run that amount of greens tells me that my LB points should have gone up from around 51000 odd where I was before the update to between 300000 and 340000 points after. Instead I only got around 13000 points added with the update. o.O

But, anyway, I had LB maxed already so who cares... just thought I should share.
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You only get the retroactive credit once. The character info does not record how often you've done repeatable quests- the only record the game has at all is your hall of monuments. If it sees a mallyx monument there, it gave you a one-time credit for all the associated quests, nothing more.

ahh... makes sense. Wasn't too clear in the update notes though.
Thanks

wurms are just the best absolute farm. update just allows u to more points from missions and vanq so u dont have to do wurms as much

IF you have a good team doing DoA regulary, you should be able to get from r5 - r8 in 4 full runs. That is IF your a sin, mes, ele or monk tho.
Else i would go for the worms.

With a good group? lol I've only found like 2 groups that could actually form. Everyone keeps dropping after the wait. Did DoA pick up after the up the update, or do I just have bad luck with PUG's?

Ashadim with 4 600/smite teams, split up and take a section each, you slaughter through it in around 15-20mins with a nice amount of lb faction =]. Just keep repeating and voila you are maxed in almost no time (best thing is pretty much any caster type can any/mo this area as 600 due to the very low amount of shutdown hexes )