New Books, Retroactive?

Let me start off by addressing the other posts claiming this is a QQ topic, nowhere did I whine or rage or say GET THIS DONE. I simply asked a question, pointed out my concern and said point out I won't do this. I refuse to beat the games again for a minimal reward newer players get just for being there anyway.

Now to answer you.

Like I also said. I am a PvPer, nearly nonstop. I have invested time in PvE and beaten all 3 campaigns in NM and HM. I was hoping after the update I could use the books to maxout a LB or SS or some title or another that I normally wouldn't do because I simply will not grind a title. Solution to grinding apparently is increasing the range of it, why grind a level when you can grind the entire game..over..and...over...and if you do it too soon...too bad.

This is why I PvP.

Was simply wondering if this was going to give me any prior credit to turn in or are they promoting further grinding.

Agreed that Zkeys being given out every month, up to 30 (150k) per PvE account (several people have several accounts) ruins the economy far more.

Another thing. what about other titles. The Zkey title didn't give prior credit either. Yet the treasure hunter title took into account everything other characters have done, you couldn't restart that? Or work off the lowest/highest numbers you gave credit for all?

Hmm..wonder if GW2 will have PvP in it to begin with at this pace. Seem to spoil and lean towards pleasing new PvErs and grinders way more and offering more in GW2 than PvPers who don't want to grind and who have to work a hell of a lot harder for a hell of a lot less titles to show for it.

Love this game to death but I can't say where it's heading.

Oh there you have it, problem solved. My bad, having a title like Guardian doesn't PROVE you beat the game. We can't tell what you've done. It's not like there's a sword through a mission if you've done it and more if you did the bonus, that would almost make it visible, too bad it's impossible to keep tabs on this stuff.

Yes. Sarcasm.

Oh and for the sad few that were talking about going back through the game and pugging for fun, it's a nice idea and a interesting thought but you haven't tried recently have you?

It's called H+H, heroes and hench. Sabway and all the other sync hero builds while hench do what you want and stall for them to work.

While 90% of players are doing that the other 10 will pug and run backfire monks, smite warriors, frenzy IW mesmers, reminding you there are always new ways to fail and if you doubt it someone will aggro 3 more groups and make it happen.

This games beyond the point of that. Only really got less and less social with the introduction of heroes tbh. But it's their game. Whatever.

You should learn to not double/triple post.

I'm not happy that I spend ages get full NM / HM missions + titles on my main character (Which in its own right took ages) only to find out that A.net expects me to do it all over again. No thank you.

Just to clarify this...Zkeys don't create money!!!

The money you obtain by selling the zkeys to other players was previously created by the buyer so it's just a trade of money that was already in the system.

Having said that, the excuse of not giving the reward beause it would damage the economy is really silly and has no foundation what so ever even if most of the players' posts I've read so far are complaining more about the faction not gained than about the money.

/signed for retroactive.

I'm pleased with the update, as anything that adds an extra dimension to achieving grind titles is a good thing.

If they think its a good thing now then they should think its also a good thing from when a player first starts playing the game.

The only reason Anet themselves have given is to prevent too much money being created.

Case in point re: unbalanced economy.

A new player to the game just a few months ago and discovers ecto farming with a permasin. He has held free lotteries in his guild with prizes such as a stack of ectos.
Next week the challenge he has set himself is to farm a stack within a few days.

Anyway I'm not bothered about the gold just the faction

Any chance of a poll on this?

Signed for retroactive books that give only SS/LB and allegiance points, no gold.

I have to agree with this. It was a huge let down. But I'm not as concerned about the character that I have legendary guardian, its the other 9 that have completed, or are 1 or 2 missions away from completing all missions. Spending 2-3 weeks for each character to go though them all again (about 27 weeks total) is not fun. The sunspear/lightbringer points would help them each out, but not enough to max them. The kurzick/luxon points would help out a lot, especially with the still enormous amount of work it will take to max that title.
I was glad to see the account wide wisdom and treasure hunter, and hff nerf. Otherwise that update mostly helps out people who haven't played as much. If the developers were concerned about introducing free money, they could easily have made the cost of updating books equal to the gold reward from books.

Would want, too. 40k is better than 4k gold IMO.

My roomate just started playing the game a month ago with GW's Trilogy. He just called me into his room last night to ask me why his book isnt getting filled when he does missions. Heys currently at ring of fire, and after looking at his book, i tell him he has a shiro book, its the book for factions, not prophecies and you have to go get a prophecies book and do all the missions again. He isnt happy about it either. I see no reason for all players new and old to have pages filled in the book, just like they were implemented in EoTn.

Yes they do.
5k per 5k Faction.
You can sure create alot of cash crafting Z-keys.

I think he means they dont input money into the economy...

There is nothing to stop those who have Legendary Guardian redoing it on the same, or a different character if they also want the cookies.

Just because it's been done once doesn't mean you can't do it again.

It's important with updates like this that everyone starts on a level playing field, as much as possible, given that if I backdated all the books on every character I have I'd be absolutely minted! Whilst that would be fantastic, there is no denying it would give me an unfair advantage over those who have not had the opportunity to play as much.

Killing monsters creates money.
Selling Z-Keys transfers other people's money to your back pocket.

If you do not like what you got why just not remove it? Would not removing of all those new books instantly solve the problems mentioned here? It will be again all just and nice.... I would sign for removing those new books from the game. Too much complaining about them and not enough appreciation. It will be for sure easier to be implemented than making them retroactive.

Don't confuse the QQing on Guru (which represents a very small part of the community anyway) from a minority with what Guru, or even the GW population, thinks. Apparently, there are a bit more people in towns and pugging, that proves that this minority is simply vocal when others aren't speaking because they're playing. (funnily, if these people would have spent their time trying to get a book instead of spending it QQing here, they'd get these rewards...but not for "free"!)

I shall remind people about http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Treasure ?

It added easy 20k per character AND tons of gold items (about 10k worth of unids per character to be clear with decent chance of something worth a LOT.).

It was tasty free stuff, but it required players to do at least something. But I don't recall people whining that they will have to visit those places again even thou they have done cartographer or whatever already.

The point of an update like this is to get people playing again, if only for a little bit; getting a bit more mileage out of a three-year-old game. The point is not to instantly grant rewards to jaded veterans and give them even less reason to play than they apparently already have.

Sucker!
That's what you get for playing the game!
Nah-nah-nah-nah-nah-nah!

Wrong. If he has the shiro book while doing prophecies, then he's doing these mission after the update obviously, so he can get the props book and fill it after doing the missions. Buy the missing pages.
If he did those missions pre-update, he couldn't have had the shiro book on him while doing them.