A Note on Botting and Kurzick/Luxon Titles

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Regina Buenaobra
Regina Buenaobra
ArenaNet
#1
A small number of players had their accounts terminated for using bots to farm faction in Melandru’s Hope and Rhea's Crater (HFFF) during the Double Luxon and Kurzick Title Points weekend. As you know, using bots is against the User Agreement, and the penalty is account termination.

That said, the design team is aware that earning the Kurzick and Luxon titles is almost impossible to achieve through normal play. Because of this, a few players felt compelled to use of bots to earn points toward these titles during the special weekend event.

While we do not condone the use of bots, this portion of the game is so unbalanced and difficult, that a few players may have felt they had no other choice.

In this specific instance, the team has decided to convert account terminations to two-week suspensions. This will be on an individual, case-by-case basis, and is expected to take several days. They do not foresee making an exception like this again in the future.

The Live Team is currently working hard to rebalance these titles so that players will not feel as if they need bots to earn them. These title rebalance changes are expected to be integrated into the game with the next big game update.
Puddin Cheeks
Puddin Cheeks
Wilds Pathfinder
#2
This is a joke right, I got a two week ban for use the f word, and they botted and get the same sentence, sigh.

EDIT: and the only way i get to experience the halloween event is reading about it on guru.
slowerpoke
slowerpoke
Desert Nomad
#3
HFFF should be removed from the game
D
DarkNecrid
Furnace Stoker
#4
Thanks for letting us know Regina.

Will the update go live next Thursday at the end of the Halloween event, or the second week?
The Bard
The Bard
Metal Machine
#5
botting is botting, ban them for evah =/
fenix
fenix
Major-General Awesome
#6
This just in, bot the game and get your acc back!
Racthoh
Racthoh
Did I hear 7 heroes?
#7
2 week ban? That doesn't exactly send a strong message about enforcing the rules. It's not like botting is the same as the swear filter that we have the option of turning on and off.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra
Because of this, a few players felt compelled to use of bots to earn points toward these titles during the special weekend event.
People bot during the week too, not just when the double weekends roll around. They're fairly easy to spot too since they are usually several of them at a time running to the exit.
maraxusofk
maraxusofk
Desert Nomad
#8
this is mostly in response to the g15 banning. i guess they finally decided to clarify and classify it as botting then. notice the phrase case by case. im assuming this means that those who actually botted wit certain programs will remain banned, while those using the g15 macroes will recieve the 2 week ban.
Puddin Cheeks
Puddin Cheeks
Wilds Pathfinder
#9
Quote:
Originally Posted by Racthoh View Post
2 week ban? That doesn't exactly send a strong message about enforcing the rules. It's not like botting is the same as the swear filter that we have the option of turning on and off.


People bot during the week too, not just when the double weekends roll around. They're fairly easy to spot too since they are usually several of them at a time running to the exit.
That is what i thought, how can someone report me for verbal abuse of the f word with there filter turned ON.
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Phineas
Lion's Arch Merchant
#10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks View Post
This is a joke right, I got a two week ban for use the f word, and they botted and get the same sentence, sigh.

EDIT: and the only way i get to experience the halloween event is reading about it on guru.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But still, converting a full-on ban to a 2 week suspension is a complete joke. They broke the EULA, why does it matter what they were doing at the time?
fenix
fenix
Major-General Awesome
#11
This is just another example of ANet setting a double standard. It's okay to bot, but it's not okay to say words that are on the language filter.
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DarkNecrid
Furnace Stoker
#12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phineas View Post
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

But still, converting a full-on ban to a 2 week suspension is a complete joke. They broke the EULA, why does it matter what they were doing at the time?
The User Agreement (UA, not EULA) says ArenaNet can change it whenever they want on short notice without telling you and get to set bans however they want to for however long they want to. (in essence)

Ergo, if Anet says 2 weeks, it's 2 weeks.

I think it's silly too, and definitely a bad move (what Rac said, you're sending a bad message and gave absolutely nothing vs bots...its like HEH WE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT, which could be good if you decide to randomly go GUNG HO on them, but...), but unfortunately this happens in ORPG's where the UA says they can ban you forever for using the letter E in your character's name and you can't do anything about it. Their servers, their rules, you can't do nothing.
TideSwayer
TideSwayer
Wilds Pathfinder
#13
The bot problem largely stems from the cash reward given for HFFF, not the faction.
Daenara
Daenara
Bad Romance
#14
I don't understand. The people who botted, whether or not they botted with keyboard macros or using a program, are all very aware of the fact that it is illegal according to the EULA. Yet, they chose to do it anyway.
It's not just the fact that they got the title, they also recieved several million gold.
Why, is this not considered to be an unfair advantage, whereas the Mallyx exploit was? Both are of a similiar nature, using outside programs to change the way that the GW program runs. Both brought unfair advantage to the players who used it by increasing their bank accounts.
Botting is wrong. Full Stop. That is the message that you've been sending to us over the years. This is a very silly move imo.
K
Kook~NBK~
Grotto Attendant
#15
Quote:
Originally Posted by TideSwayer View Post
The bot problem largely stems from the cash reward given for HFFF, not the faction.
Ding ding ding!!!! We have a WINNERRRRR!!!!

Tell him/her what he's/she's won, Johnny!
Numa Pompilius
Numa Pompilius
Grotto Attendant
#16
It's because Gaile said that it was OK to use the Logitech G15 keyboard scripts - but that keyboard has scripting functions not only for keypresses but for mouse events, delays, and looping. In short, it's got fully fledged bot-creation software, and people subsequently got banned for botting with it.

But Gaile DID say it was OK.

Hence... this.
BuD
BuD
Krytan Explorer
#17
What a bunch of BS!

2 week ban, WTF!

They were using a FN BOT, this is no different than the bots out of Citadel, or Altrumm Ruins, Bergen Bot Springs or any other gold farming spot. Thats what this bot is used for.....FARMING GOLD! Not faction.

Un FN Believable......
Zinger314
Zinger314
Debbie Downer
#18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
While we do not condone the use of bots, this portion of the game is so unbalanced and difficult, that a few players may have felt they had no other choice.
So...uh...change it?
Daenara
Daenara
Bad Romance
#19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lycan X View Post
What a bunch of BS!

2 week ban, WTF!

They were using a FN BOT, this is no different than the bots out of Citadel, or Altrumm Ruins, Bergen Bot Springs or any other gold farming spot. Thats what this bot is used for.....FARMING GOLD! Not faction.

Un FN Believable......
This is what I meant You just put it in better words then me.
Div
Div
I like yumy food!
#20
Translation: The game is too hard.

Solution: We're going to make it easier.

Typical Anet.