Cathedral of Fools

you don't even need heals or an extra hero to heal the smiter if the 600 takes a scythe of enchanting. the scythe will do 1 dmg to three foes and that will trigger RoD back to the 600 instead of retribution to the smiter.

Stop complaining plz. 90% of the time the smiter is a hero, not a person. They bring Signet of Devotion but heroes rarely use it on themselves. The 600 would have to keep themselves alive AND micro manage their hero if no one brought heals. Anyway...most of the time some1 brings Breath of the Great Dwarf so its not like its any great imposition on anyone.

it gets worse, 15k for cathandrax, and we need PI for the wurms. 15k? RIP OFF

i went on one, ended up fighting so much i would of been better in an ursan pug.

run means we do nothing, we should be able to afk at the spawn, no res, no heals etc. or it should be free.

LOD is the only thing i take because it benefits me and the team. Acting as a monk through a run only benefits some noob runner who'd rather the extra slot for 2k more than sacrifice it for a hero healer

Adding this to first post.

One solution to your problem is to do the run yourself in your own way. If this is too much of an issue, I'll gladly run you through in an instance where you don't have to heal my bonder! (Rit 600s FTW!) I do all LoDs on the main route, spiders and chests (aside from any chest in Murakai's steward area... those tend to cause wipes). I only ask ppl to bring LoD (as it doesn't fit on my bar) and if possible gaze of fury to make things go faster.

IGN: Hero of the Ori

Also, anyone saying ignorant things like "if the 600 dies on the first level should just leave" is unwelcome in any of my runs. Have you people never heard of lag? This thread was started to QQ about the running services in CoF... fine I have no problem with that. But if you've run CoF many times yourself (as I have) you'll please not forget to notice that more than 50% of the ppl being run frequently make things more difficult for the runner by standing in bad spots, pulling aggro to the bonder, grabbing dwarven ghosts, standing by the 600 (or running up to get drops while a mob is being fought), or my personal favorite: verbally abusing party members to the point that other people simply leave the group making sure the runner's profits are reduced. Honestly, considering the bargain the ppl getting run get out of CoF for 2K (I frequently run it for 1.5k even), you'd think people would be a bit more appreciative of the service. Compare this to something like a Drocks run and you'll find that ppl expect quite a lot. CoF is a dungeon run, so really the run is to get the dungeon chest. Anything else is bonus really. Even though runners do make a decent profit out of the run, its often not worth the hassle. Farming gets me as much or more in the same amount of time without the idiocy from random people.

I absoloutely agree. I remember a few years back, I paid 500 gold for a run to Lions Arch from Yaks Bend, the runner failed to make the run, and asked for everyone to help out and just kill all the enemies along the way. I saw no reason to pay someone for this so called "run". Obviously just having to heal someone isn't quite as bad, but still..

f you're actually having to help out the runners, then it's not really a run.

lol its so funny when "runners" are like "okay pay me 5k and we will ALL fight our way through! pay at the end."

retardsssssssssssss

All the comments above are reasons why I don't run CoF (or Vloxen) for others but guildies and friends. And then I don't charge them squat because i do it to have fun. And when I do a CoF i take a hero and get on with it faster than looking for smiters and QQers.
But then again why run CoF for pocket change when you get 6 ectos average in UW runs (25 min./run).

I don't understand all the crying. If you don't like the runners just do it yourself ...

they're charging 2k, quest reward is 1k500... that means you get free drops from monsters and hidden treasures, free vanguard and deldrimor points, and a free access to murakai's chest

and you're still complaining because you have to maintain a +3 mending on a smiter ?

do it yourself, or stop complaining for 500g

Agreed with OP. If you're going to run, run. If you're not good enough to run solo, say so.

Agreed. You pay 2k, and you make well more than that in drops alone.

If you charge for a service, you should be able to do the job.
If not go back and practice until you can.

I don't care what drops or rewards I get, they have nothing to do with the running service I'm paying for. If I pay someone to get me from point A to point B, I expect them to do the job, otherwise i can do it myself.

Then why don't you?

Because I'm a lazy arsed sod like everyone else, and prefer to see others do the job.

Well I can see a problem with helping someone thats running you Ascalon to La, for example.
I had runners die constantly and ask for help, it's like wtf? Then they still charge you for doing half the job. Now, those runners don't deserve to charge...

Do people charge for Ascalon-LA runs? I useally do them for free, both ways

Yea people still charge. It's like 2-3k ish.

I run also but usually for free because I know I will mess up along the way :P

i lol'd

have you ever pm'd anyone before?

I don't really get the point of OP. Is this basically a QQ thread about runners in CoF asking people to heal them? An attempt to start a mass boycott of CoF runners asking for heals?

Runners should be able to ask for whatever for a run, as the clients have the choice of accepting the service or rejecting it. Just because they're asking people for some healing help doesn't turn them into 'scums.' If OP is unhappy with what CoF runners are asking for, then he/she should simply not interact with these runners rather than doing whatever he/she is trying to do in this thread.

They are providing a service, if you don't like the terms of that service then don't join their group.