Dragons Throughout Guild Wars

Check the concept art section of the magazine that has the Ecology of the Charr article - the 'chupucabras' apparently became one of the subspecies of Skelk.

If you mean this:
I don't think that is the same creature. as the drawing it is talking about *I believe it is the necromancer skelk, uses same model as the Raptors* does not have any fish-like parts.

Another thought on the name of the picture I showed above, perhaps the "nickname" for the Deep Sea Dragon was a chupacabra until they could think of a real name. That is, if it is the Deep Sea Dragon, although I would think the name Cthulhu would fit better .

While interesting i'm going to treat that as a possible common enemy in GW2 for now.

I am also going to be treating the Dragon in Grothmar Wardowns as a different Dragon to the one in the desert until we gain more info. Also the concept art i have in place for the Undead Dragon of Orr and the Desert Dragon is not confirmed and was chosen only due to names and appearences. The only concept art verified is the one of Primordus and the one of "The Dragon of Grothmar Wardowns" - and you should note that the concept art is very exaggerated in terms of size.

Well, the discussion in the other topic was getting very, very off topic, so I figured I should make a new one. (I also want to bring up a few new things.

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/kapra/newGW/gw040.jpg

Upon the first view of this image, you'll realize I'm REALLY bad in MS paint.
But, there were a few things I wanted to say.

Red Dot = Primordus' starting location (where he went to sleep)

Red Line = Primordus' flight path over Ascalon down to the Crystal Desert (if he does do that). I feel like Primordus would be the Dragon to fly down over Ascalon, as the far north Dragon is preoccupied with the Norn, the Ice cliff serpent doesn't appear to have wings, Drakkar will most likely be in the north, and Grothmar is too fat to fly.

Green Dot = Far north dragon's estimated starting point

Green Line = Far north dragon's estimated flight path down to the crystal desert (if he does do that)

Dark green line = The far north dragon's conquest of the far shiverpeaks (thus pushing the norn south). I feel like he is the most likely one to push the Norn south, as it could easily "push" them south, whereas Drakkar or the Ice cliff serpent might have geographic problems.

Blue dot = Drakkar

Blue arrow = Drakkar pushing the norn south. He is the alternative to the far north dragon moving the Norn out of their homes, but I feel for some reason that he stays in the north, I don't know why. (maybe Drakkar is the dragon from the far northern peaks?)

Pink dot = Malchor's rising point

Pink Line = I think that this would be about Malchor's area of control if he is the dragon that controls the Crystal Desert. The only conflict here would be with Primordus, so if Primordus is the dragon that flies down, cut out the SE corner of his territory.

Light blue dot = Grothmar

Purple dot = Ice cliff serpent.

Red Box = Wth is this thing? I've wanted to know forever. I feel like it might be the Volcano where the Charr found the titans, but we haven't seen any proof that Charr can use boats, so I doubt it.

Black lines = AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THIS? I swear to god that Kryta and the body of water south of it are a face.


Well, I have no clue what I'm even saying, so if you don't follow my logic, meh. I know that a lot of things I've said in this post make no sense or conflict with other statements, so if there's something wrong, please correct me. I'm trying to make a visual organizer of what's going on in Tyria, as I have trouble keeping up with the non-visual topics.

That is one scary face. Anyway, EoTN added a lot of land to the map, i was hoping we would get to explore those areas(like the big black island). Also who is Malchor, coudlnt find anything on wiki

Also according to this Grothmar flys south
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Grothmar

Until Grothmar's flight has been confirmed by Anet, it can't be taken seriously. (look at the Grothmar topic)
I'm going to edit that page on gww2.

Malchor is the undead dragon, you wont find it on the wiki, which is a horrible source for lore.

Yeah i hope that island is the volcano the charr found. I wonder if the dragons become the new charr gods? Mabye your charr charecters are the good charr who are trying to kill the shamans. That'd be a pretty cool sidequest from the main story line.

The Shaman caste has already been overthrown in gw2.

Yeah but that was just one shaman, what about the shaman's relatives or their children? They probably make a come back in GW2. I hope they do at least.

Similar to Justicar Naveed's quest chain? that would be an intresting sidequest...

The Shaman Caste is dead, and the Charr make sure it remains dead. The Gold Legion, otherwise known as the Flame Legion, is an outcast of the other Charr legions, but they still keep a close eye on them, in the event they try to pull a stunt like the Shaman Caste again.

Also, Neo, does Guru not have a spoiler tag function? That image is stretching the page irritatingly.

Actually, from my own memory of the Ecology of the Charr, the Shamans are still around in GW2... but are barely above slaves on the social ladder, kept around because they're useful with the rest of the Charr determined to keep them in their place. Depending on just how broad the Charr define 'shamans' to be, this could have interesting ramifications for Charr magic-using professions in GW2, with some or all potentially facing prejudice. (This could in fact be a reason for Charr PCs to go renegade and possible join human guilds... making a reversal of the non-Shaman alliance with humans in EOTN.) Of course, the presence of Charr spellcasters in Pyre's warband might suggest otherwise, but it still wouldn't surprise me if the GW2 Charr keep the martial professions firmly on top just in case.

Regarding Drakkar... I think it's quite reasonably for Drakkar to push the Norn south. Most Norn population centres are in fact south of Drakkar Lake, and those that aren't may well be the first to fall. Or it's also possible that some Norn were pushed north as well as south, but those that were pushed north either perished or found themselves isolated.

fixed the Grothmar article for you Neo. Grothmar IS the water dragon, just unknown if he's the one who flies south.

The Shaman Caste was overthrown 40 years after EN, for good. Also, Gold Legion is NOT the Shaman Caste. Shamans were leaders of all four legions the Flame Legion took the blunt of everything though for finding the Titans and attempting to be the prime legion. [Edit: Also, Shamans were not all casters, there are Charr Shamans in EN which are Warriors]

Leon: No, it doesn't.

I fear to comment on the map.... especially the black lines... >_>

Malchor's territory looks too big if he was the Desert Dragon. Primordus just seems illogical to be such (he'd have all the depths to himself, if he wanted domain, he'd have plenty along with the perfect attack spot, underneath everyone)

You forgot Grothmar on the map

I do think that Drakkar is the Dragon of Snow and Ice, due to Svanir, the comment on the concept art for it, the monsters on top of it, and its location is all I need to think such.

The Mursaat area is off topic.

The impression I have is that the Shamans from the other legions were either recruited or subverted (depending on whether there was a shaman caste before the discovery of the Titans) by the Flame Legion as part of the bid for control - but the Flame Legion was certainly the power behind Titan worship (and, later, Destroyer worship). Furthermore, I think it's at least implied that the Gold Legion continues in at least some shamanistic practises.

I'll have to have another look at the article when I get home.

Not sure if the Shamans were around before the Titans, but it sounds like they were (because if they had to agree to worship the Titans, it should mean that they were not all Titan Shamans from the get go). The Shamans are "a source of magic" so to speak, and that is why they were kept alive, however not all Shamans are magic users and not all magic users seem to be shamans.

Also, Neo please shrink your image!!!!!! It's too big. >_<

No underworld dragon? (Serpent mountains)?
it'd explain the tails coming out've rocks...maybe thats why the CB's are so mean :P

Considering that before the Titan worship, they worshiped nothing, why would they have Shamans, if Shamans were the religious leaders? I think after the Flame Legion discovered the Titans, they converted those in their legion, and word spread to the other legions, making certain Charr decide to become Shamans. Then those Shamans met in secret to decide to convert the rest of the Charr within their respective legions. Also, the Shamans aren't a "source of magic", they were the source of the magic needed to conjure up the Searing, but aside from that, they were still capable of magic. It just wasn't to the power which was found with the humans. At least, that's what I suspect.

The Gods gave the humans more magic, I imagine, and it's with this that they pushed back the Charr in the first place, and then began killing each other. Which is also why they had to introduce the Bloodstones.

Those are not Ancient Dragons. Those were brothers who challenged Grenth and failed, as punishment he turned them into those two serpent-like creatures.

Edit: Also, Definition of Shaman:
Nothing to do with religion, to be honest, so the Charr Shamans could have existed before their "gods."

I'm sorry, but this has been bugging me since the other topic. How do we know that Grothmar is the water dragon?

Concept artwork of it was named as such.

Also, here's my version of Neo's map, note, the map was not created by me, merely modified by me to note the presence of the dragons and other groups to exist in GW2. I left out the Sylvari and Primordus as with the latter I'd have to cover practically the entire map, and the former, is basically a minority.

Edit: Er..Photobucket is down for site maintenance at the moment, so whenever that finishes I'll post my image. And yes, I refuse to use Imageshack.

And here it is.