extremely bad players

Ladies and Gents,

I have read often in these forums complaints about bad players and noobs. I think it is about time someone actually stated that this is a game, a contest with winners and loosers. And as such we have the responsibility to be good sportsmen and women. To be kind and helpful to other players. I often find these bad sports in the PvP and Elite PvE areas. The stakes are higher in these areas and level of vulgarity higher too. People think their bad behavior is justified because someone played bad or made a mistake that cost them the match or a bit of gold. It is extremely easy to act badly because it is a game and the characters are not real but we must remember that there are real people behind our characters. Because we are on the computer we feel we can act as we never would do in real life. Screaming, yelling, calling people names belittles you not the person you are attacking.

Now, don't get me wrong, I know there are many, many helpful and considerate players out there, like the one who when I was first starting gave me a black dye to get a run to Droks and buy new armor. It's too bad that the few bad apples make playing unpleasent for everyone. I think this bad behavior has led to the decline in PUG's more than Hero's. I think if we all try and be a bit kinder to each other and not so quick to call names, we would all have a better gaming experience. Thanks Sparks

The problem is many bad players think they are good. They rage at people and blame others when they are actually too stupid to know why the mission/match failed. A n00b just doesn't know better, but these bad players often present themselves as masters of the game. Best thing to do is move on and build a friends list of people who know how to enjoy themselves without attacking others.

Stop sucking and people won't yel...

It's a game, like you said, so it's supposed to be fun. It isn't fun when U spend XX hours preparing for PvP/Elite Area and then 1 guy goes AFK/RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs up and your team whipes...

I agree people should try and be nicer but everyone just has that time where there buttons get pushed to far and they go off.

This thread is flame bait and needs to be closed(even if I agree with you).

While I agree with what you've said, I'm not sure of your point in posting it. It will attract flamers and trolls as evidenced by one or two posters already.

I'll leave it open for now but I'm going to keep an eye on it.

I try to help out as much as I can, it's just discouraging at times. There are quite a few people out there who don't want advice and will continue to play "poorly". A lot of the time a person will be stern and will only learn through failure, not just being told and taught about it. I still try my best.

People are too stubborn to realize that nothing matters in the game. And too stubborn to realize they are acting stupid. There is nothing I hate more then people not helping each other because of a stupid act. Due to that, I usually stay out off PvP and H/H many things, but when I do, I try my best to act like a "good sportsman" which the amount of is disappearing way to fast, not just in games, but in everything of life, at least imo.

I agree with you that people need to stop acting like that, but there is nothing we can really do. If they want to act like little kids, let them, I'll just ignore them and when they have no one to argue to or about, then they will, hopefully, get it through their heads that THEY suck and need to change the way they act. Until then, nothing can be done.

I do think this thread needs to be closed before the "bad players" and "idiots" come on to flame.
Edit: the post right under mine *currently* is a perfect example on why a good discussion topic cannot last on guru without it being ruined by flames and trolls. 2nd Edit: that post was deleted.

Actually I think something can be done. Set a good example. Take the high road when someone else takes the low. Be considerate, calm, and courteous. Some people will take note and perhaps even emulate such behavior. Contribute to this society...for GW is a society with its own rules, standards of behavior, etc. And show others how they can as well.

Certainly you cannot change, "the world," over night but in gneral people tend to follow leaders, so be a positive leader.

There's a big difference between bad players.

There are those that are bad because they have little experience with the game/part of the game you're doing, yet, are willing to learn. I have no problems whatsoever with this kind of people and will never be rude to them. I might even help them if I have the time for it.

However there are also those that are bad, inexperienced, yet think they know it all , refuse to learn, and will even force their shitty opinion upon others. This is the kind of players that will be ignored, at best. And if they push it too far, will eventually be flamed by those who actually have a clue..

Bad players who are willing to learn are good and will improve.

Bad players who will cry upon a single failure and think they already understand everything are bad and will continue to fail.

I played Dark Ages of Camelot for quite awhile and when you were bested or killed an opponent, the majority of the time you were saluted or bowed to. You treated your opponent like a worthy advesary whether or not they deserved it. Not all players are as good as you, and you're not as good as some other players. But if everyone treated everyone else with respect then it was a better playing experience.

I fail to see why some players think that trash talk and rude emotes equates to being grown up and mature. I agree a little banter between opponents is fine but most of the time it is just plain outright name calling and cussing. Just a bunch of little kids thinking that's the way adults act.

Flame on I'm sure.

I start out with a respect level where I am passive and neutral, I leave it up to you to change it.

bored today?
While I agree with most of this, I'll have to remind you that this is the internet, and anonymity gives people what they think is the "right" to act stupid and say what ever they want.
There's very little we can do about this as we can't outright punish those who do it, so just try to show them as little of your attention as you can. (Of course they're doing it to get a rise or offend you, because you apparently offended them in "being too noob", so it's obviously what you deserve)

Anyone claiming to be all-knowing and talking down to everyone else is a bad player. Good players recognize their own weaknesses, and are willing to help others with their problems.

By that definition, people yelling at you in the arenas for not OMFG HEAL suck, and should be ignored. However, you shouldn't put up a shell that deflects any and all criticism of your playstyle.

In short, lots of people are jerks on the internet. Don't be another moronic, screaming face in the mob.

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."
Douglas Adams

I think you must also take into consideration that MANY of the 'people' who are playing are still children....a lot of the player base is under the age of 21! Asking that they act mature is ...well parents have been praying for that for years, I doubt that an anonymous game will get a better reaction!


Good luck and the only thing I can say is if you act mature maybe it will rub off on the 'bad' ones.....otherwise just do the 'mature' thing and turn the other check.

good luck!

I don't like closing threads because of the trolls and flamers, they do not run these boards. I'd rather see some good discussions going on.

I think that a LOT of the cause stems from PvP titles. People want to win to grind their glad points, or other kind of points. If they lose, they get pissed off and start blaming everyone except themselves. If someone says "hey, it's your fault just as much as ours", most of them go on to say something like "my title is higher than yours, that means that you're a noob and should bow down to me".

Quite honestly, I think PvP titles ruined the game. If people wanted to play for fun instead of grinding points for their titles, there would be less leavers, less leechers, and that probably would have prevented things like the Dishonorable hex from being implemented. It wouldn't have completely prevented these problems, there's still the ignorant players that will grief for personal enjoyment, but the problem wouldn't have been so widespread.

Just my two cents.

"Bad" players come in 4 varieties:

1. The person who wants to play the game "their own way" with a "unique snowflake" build like Me/R "pretty archer with a pet" or somesuch. These people aren't interested in becoming "good." And that's just fine. So long as they don't come to areas where being "good" is a prerequisite for success and join a team under the false pretense that they're something they're not (which happens only very rarely), no one is hurt by these people playing the game "their own way."

2. The person who is bad, but thinks they're good. Actually, they usually think that they are better than "good," better than "great" even -- they usually think that they are God's gift to GW. These people are a problem. No amount of patient, clear-headed explanation will help them to improve, because they do not recognize that they suck. Calling them some variant on "idiotic noob" may make you feel better after they ruin your quest/mission/PvP match, but it probably won't have much impact on them, because they are thinking the same thing of you. The best thing you can do is avoid partying with these people in the first place. You can usually identify them by their LFG spam that includes terms like "pro," "exp," "R10 Ursan only," and, of course, "no noobs."

3. The person who you think is bad, but who is, in fact, better than you. This is the flip side of the above case. Much like you have no reliable way of determining that you yourself are not insane, you have no reliable way of determining that you aren't the one who's a noob. Perhaps this other person's build/tactics/way of doing a quest/whatever is really brilliant, and much better than what you think they should be doing, but you are too much of a noob to realize it.

4. The person who lacks experience, knows that they lack experience, and welcomes advice. This person should never be treated with "stooooopid noob" name-calling and other such crap and should be given any advice you've got that would be helpful to their task at hand.

In my experience, GW on the PvE side has all 4 kinds of bad players, and the good players usually distinguish between them and treat them accordingly. PvP tends to be filled almost exclusively with type 2 bad players, and a very few good players who treat all bad players very poorly. That's one of the reasons that I predominantly play PvE when I play GW.

Then again, many people wouldn't still be here if it weren't for titles, griefers or not.