Flail Viable?

Ok, what about a [Bull Strike] and [Shock] axe spiker? Once he starts moving, knock him down, attack, shock, then spike.

Flail can be useful in here, or would frenzy be better since you're using energy instead of adrenaline? Frenzy would be more viable because you are most likely using [eviscerate]. [bulls strike] followed up by [eviscerate] (if possible) can wreck havoc on a 60 al target.

Just remember hammer is always better with flail and will always be sword/axe will be better with frenzy. Unless it is PvE.

Frenzy would be more viable because you are most likely using [eviscerate]. [bulls strike] followed up by [eviscerate] (if possible) can wreck havoc on a 60 al target.

Just remember hammer is always better with flail and will always be sword/axe will be better with frenzy. Unless it is PvE. You mean [Executioner's Strike]?

Well the combo I use is, [Protector's Strike] -> [Bull's Strike] -> [Frenzy] -> [Shock] -> [Eviscerate] -> and [Executioner's Strike]

You mean [Executioner's Strike]?

Well the combo I use is, [Protector's Strike] -> [Bull's Strike] -> [Frenzy] -> [Shock] -> [Eviscerate] -> and [Executioner's Strike]
There goes all of your energy. It's kind of up to preference, but as a bunch of us have said, and Dr. Strangelove summed up so nicely: Flail if you have a Snare (KD), Frenzy if you don't.

Wow, guys really? Sorry, I don't PvP much. I thought that Frenzy is really bad with or without a cancel stance (since you take double damage and you'll just lose your 5 energy for nothing if you use a cancel stance). Is this only for PvE? Or am I just plain wrong?
Frenzy is = to 50% more damage and 50% more adrenaline for 8 seconds for 5 energy. The downside is completely negligible, and some may argue it is the best Warrior (or all) skill in the game! It's by no means bad.

(Numbers may or may not be wrong, can't be bothered to look it up / calculate it, but... Frenzy owns.)

You mean [Executioner's Strike]?

Well the combo I use is, [Protector's Strike] -> [Bull's Strike] -> [Frenzy] -> [Shock] -> [Eviscerate] -> and [Executioner's Strike] Well generally people start their Eviscerate spike with well Eviscerate or bulls then use evis.

But Bulls Strike>Evis>Exe rapes. With [frenzy] up you dont have to waste adren on flail so you can just go Bulls>Evis>Exe without having to Bulls>Auto Attack>Evis.

Wow, guys really? Sorry, I don't PvP much. I thought that Frenzy is really bad with or without a cancel stance (since you take double damage and you'll just lose your 5 energy for nothing if you use a cancel stance). Is this only for PvE? Or am I just plain wrong? People don't target warriors first in PvP. If everyone lets you frenzy to your heart's content, you pump out a lot more damage. If they decide you target you, you spent that 5 energy and your cancel stance to force them to pay attention to you. Think of it like a taunt skill that breaks faces.

People don't target warriors first in PvP. If everyone lets you frenzy to your heart's content, you pump out a lot more damage. If they decide you target you, you spent that 5 energy and your cancel stance to force them to pay attention to you. Think of it like a taunt skill that breaks faces.
"Frenzy. A taunt skill that breaks faces."

Beautiful.

Wow, guys really? Sorry, I don't PvP much. I thought that Frenzy is really bad with or without a cancel stance (since you take double damage and you'll just lose your 5 energy for nothing if you use a cancel stance). Is this only for PvE? Or am I just plain wrong? Yes you can use Frenzy is PvE at lvl 20 with over 500HP closer to 600 anyway it is fine and sprint,rush or enraging charge are good cancel stances.It doesn't use up that much energy if using adrenal skill only

Grasping Earth is best used on hammer build with Frenzy along with protectors defence.You don't use it on an Axe or Sword build Bulls Strike.Bulls Charge use to be used a lot but no so much anymore for your elite and it is stance.

Wow, guys really? Sorry, I don't PvP much. I thought that Frenzy is really bad with or without a cancel stance (since you take double damage and you'll just lose your 5 energy for nothing if you use a cancel stance). Is this only for PvE? Or am I just plain wrong? PvP discussions in this part of the forum sometimes lead to confusion if the type of pvp isn't specified.

Frenzy is a very good skill as long as you're aware of the things going on around you. You have to be quick to cancel it in a bad situation. Watch some observe matches and you'll see every axe/sword war using Frenzy. One thing to keep in mind though is that they're all gonna be backed up by monks, obviously. What works in high-end pvp doesn't always work in more unorganized pvp types like AB/RA. In those kinds of pvp, Frenzy is still viable but it can be a little more dangerous. You can't guarantee you'll be backed up by monks so it becomes abit more risky. Even worse, Empathy/Spiteful Spirit can screw you bad.

With good use of cancel stances, Frenzy is great....compared to other IAS's at least. Tiger stance has a long recharge and too much downtime. Flail means enemies will kite (assuming axe/sword). Flurry Decreases your damage, which isn't good. Burst of Aggression has a really bad drawback. The only option left really becomes Frenzy. It's one of those skills that becomes better with the player's skill - use it wrong and s*** will hit the fan.

Frenzy is a very good skill as long as you're aware of the things going on around you. You have to be quick to cancel it in a bad situation. Watch some observe matches and you'll see every axe/sword war using Frenzy. One thing to keep in mind though is that they're all gonna be backed up by monks, obviously. What works in high-end pvp doesn't always work in more unorganized pvp types like AB/RA. In those kinds of pvp, Frenzy is still viable but it can be a little more dangerous. You can't guarantee you'll be backed up by monks so it becomes abit more risky. Even worse, Empathy/Spiteful Spirit can screw you bad.

With good use of cancel stances, Frenzy is great....compared to other IAS's at least. Tiger stance has a long recharge and too much downtime. Flail means enemies will kite (assuming axe/sword). Flurry Decreases your damage, which isn't good. Burst of Aggression has a really bad drawback. The only option left really becomes Frenzy. It's one of those skills that becomes better with the player's skill - use it wrong and s*** will hit the fan. absolutely 100% correct. ty for this fine, rather sexxy display of knowledge of the skill [frenzy]