Guild Wars, you are still the most skilled "mmo"

So I have not played Guild Wars for a few months now, got myself a mage lvl 70 on WoW. The PvP in that game is just horrendous. I don't mind going out with my guildies killing lower lvls for fun (trust me, there's a Luxon/Kurzick rivalry in WoW but 100x worse), but they do have I guess "random arenas" where there's an exact copy of AB, a 10v10 capture the flag, or a 40v40, etc.

Anyways... I can't help but stress enough dimwits in WoW actually try to kill someone who is carrying the flag in a capture the flag match, but nobody goes for the healer. My god I remember when there was a time even the biggest noob build players in Random Arenas at least knew to go for the healers. I'm the only one on my WoW teams to actually interupt the healer mesmer style and keep pressure on them, but sometimes one person isn't enough. Not to also mention healing is a joke in WoW, slow casting, one tank, "i have so much mana i am a 1 click heal other noob" basically. I tried healing in there, but monking in GW was just so much more fun and challenging, even in missions.

I introduced my guild to spiking, and suprisingly, this tactic is unheard of in WoW, since there are so many classes and not alot of the same group up often. So with my Mage (elementalist, except we actually ARE the biggest DPS in the game for the most part) I shown them the ol' 1,2,3 spike and I can't believe such a silly tactic just annihalites people in WoW. It's not even a very liable tactic in GW anymore, at least nowadays, and we are just using simple instant cast spells, but it just kind of suprises me these WoW players have never encountered a spike. So it always reminds me of good old GW when we spike em up.

I guess my question is.. Do people still play this game PvP wise? Or are the elitists left to fight amongst themselves in HA while all the rest left somewhere else?

The Arena's(2v24,4v4) teams are quitte coördinated But Av is indeed one big noobfest.But realy,isn't that the same thing going on in Ab(and atleast you can chose four of your team memers there.)?

You can select groups to go with as well, but while you can't find others willing to PvP, its a pain to deal with idiots who suck at PvP in a PvE grind game

Hm. Seems like your opinion has changed.

That aside, my experiences in PvP in both games has been somewhat similar, although I haven't gotten much of a taste in higher end GW PvP. I've experienced plenty of idiots in RA and AB that don't listen to anything as often as I have in battlegrounds.

That aside, I don't play PvP in GW anymore because it's no longer as fulfilling.

I couldn't disrespect "old faithful" in the end.

Heh, thanks for finding that link, Bryant. I was just about to look for that.

But yeah, to answer your question there are people on both sides of the fench. Getting into HA can be difficult unless your guild does it, or you have friends that will let a "low level noob" into a group. People do still PvP though in other areas. A lot of people are more into AB now it seems - I know I am just for the faction. So it's kinda mixed overall. But, again, that's just my opinion.

So you would rather kill lower lvl players then actually play ppl on a level playing field?

weird.

Its funny i come across this message after finally ditching my own level 70 mage to go back to guild wars. I used to play guild wars before, and i enjoyed the pvp, but i went to WoW because there wasnt enough content in GW. But now i have gone back to GW because the pvp in WoW stinks. The arena, is dominated by healers and MS warriors or Sl/Sl locks. The rest of the classes, like mage, are just left to struggle. The best thing about Guild Wars is the limitation on the skills, and the Diversity of builds. With WoW, you pick your talents, stick with them, and that is your build. Whereas with GW, you pick your build, if you get your ass kicked, you change, then kick some ass, then change it again, til you have a super awesome build, then you go and make a new one.

AS for the BG's, they are fun, but they are full of noobs and Afker's. I know alot of bad things are said about AB and RA, but trust me, it could be worse. In WoW, if your team stinks, you will suck as some classes just cant be beaten solo.

There is so much more shit that is wrong with WoW that Blizzard just cant be bothered to fix, but i wont get into. The fact is, GW is the more sophisticated game that actually takes skill to play. I just hope my crappy R3 Title wont hold me back from getting some decent pvp.

Pwnededed? I think so.

because changing your opinion is higly immoral,rite?

So, you meet bad players in WoW, and your argument is that GW players are "less bad."

Right.

Comparing scrub PvP in WoW with scrub PvP in GW is ludicrious.

Oh great Zinger, post your views on WoW PvP!

PvP in WoW is actually very good if Itemization did not completely Bork it. Itemization makes WoW pvp so unbearable it's surprising that there's even a comparison.

Early in WoW's life, just before and during the 1st Tier release, PvP was actually balanced and fun. Now, because it's so Stat Dependent/Unbalanced it's really hard for average players to figure out what works and what does not; most players just grind for the +Stat gear and out Stat their opponent. Spikes in WoW are called Assist Trains, same concept, just handled less effectively.

It appears you had not quite played WoW much when you posted your first statement, welcome to the obvious truth. In early PvP lvl 19, 29 .. . WoW seems a bit more wholesome.

Immoral? No. Hypocritical? Yes.

I find it ironically funny that WoW started as a purely PvE based game and has evolved more forms of pvp for its audience whereas GW started out as an entirely PvP oriented game and has mutated into a much more PvE driven machine....
Most of my RL friends are all WoW fanatics and keep wondering when I will convert. As more and more PvP options open up they seem to think that I will eventually switch.

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Hypocrisy is the act of condemning another person, where the stated basis for the criticism is the breach of a rule which also applies to the critic and of which the critic is in breach to a similar or greater extent.
That is not the same as changing your mind or reassessing your viewpoints at all.....good lord people, relax. To be unchanging is to be dead or just as well dead.
Oh and hypocrisy is immoral, it's called blatant lying.

What is so hypocritical about changing your mind?

Sup Zeek, may I?

I made this comparison a while ago, and it's one of the things between WoW and GW that I like to think holds water the most: WoW - Great PvE, meh PvP. GW - Great PvP, meh PvE. Both succeed vastly in one aspect, but both do not deliver in the other. And of course there are those that prefer WoW's PvP just as much as there are those that prefer GW's PvE. But nonetheless, it's still comparing a PvE focused game to a PvP focused game.

And I will agree that yes, both of them have their share of idiots, both PvE and PvP. You can't dodge 'em.

No, i've moved on.

Yes GW is the most skilled mmo, because it is the MMO with the most skills.

Funny that isnt it?

Quality not quantity. It' has better PvP than other mmo's because of pre-protting etc. Takes more skill than to hit a health potion.