"Ping your build" problems

Back before ANet allowed people to ping their build to the chat, it seemed groups were formed easier and had no hassle. Now you get kicked if you aren't using the "oh-so popular" build for that set of 2 weeks or that month.

ANet should not have added this feature; it is ruining people's game-play because people are being jerks and kicking for an unpopular build. I have met quite a few people with some really nice builds, but the leader thought it was a peice of junk because it wasn't on wiki (not like that doesn't get your attention). What is even more upsetting is that people are kicking people from groups BECAUSE it is not on wiki -- don't forget some wiki builds are peices of crap.

People need to stop judging builds. As long as the job at hand is being done, everything should be good. As long as a monk heals/prots, an elementalist does good damage, or a ritualist spirit-spams/whatever the build won't matter. I don't see why people get SOOO worked up about how a build is bad and people should be banned from GW because they are not 1337ists.

ANet could fix this by either:
A. taking it out sometime soon
B. leaving it out of GW2
C. *both*

It is sad how GW has gone from amazing to a little pesky.

Post your thoughts?

EDIT:
it's not my builds that I'm getting kicked for... it's other people's that seems somewhat good for a group. Just clearning that up.

No, I like being able to ping builds, and thus very quickly and easily share them between friends and guildies. It's certainly not Anet's fault if some people are being dipshits about it, and it's not a design flaw by far. I'd very much like this feature to stay.

As long as you're not running some gimp build I don't see how this is a problem. If the party leader's just a nazi wiki monkey then either change your build or find a new party. You probably wouldn't have had much fun with him around anyway.

I see what you are saying about for guilds and friends... i agree with that.

But I was in a guild that one of the people was a build-nazi. Someone would ping the build, and she would rip it apart... ending with a build that most people find even worse.

You could simply do the immature thing and...

1. Ping the build template that the leader wants.
2. Switch to your build template before you leave town.
3. Ping your build after you leave town.

It's then the leader's choice to start over or go ahead and see what you can do with your build.

I know, it's a pretty crappy thing to do, but if it really irks you...

The flexibility of this game is a double-edged sword. Because you can change your load out at a moment's notice, people will ask you to make use of it.

I understand your frustration w/ this, as a build you like playing and find effective may be torn apart by some strict leader who wants things his way. The only advice I can give is to either work w/ that leader, or move on to another team. It isn't worth playing on a team where you hate the leader, but neither are you another one of his heroes to pick and choose what he wants.

Rexion - I'm going to take what some might consider the "elitist" stance here. Being able to see builds is a HUGE help because it helps me understand what is on the skill bar of the people I'm playing with. It is sooo much easier than having to type it.

Do not kid yourself, kicking for silly skills happened before this feature was introduced. I've been part of teams, even team leader, in high end areas and seen and kicked those who refuse to list their build when asked. I personally have never kicked for a bad skill bar, but have asked for it to be changed and if the player got defensive to the point of rudeness they have been kicked.

Why? If we are playing Urgoz as B/P then the rangers in the team had best be B/P rangers. If they refuse or argue, then you can bet they will be unpleasent to play with.

Monks with no energy management have always given me pause, and warriors with frenzy, heal sig, and mending DO occur.

I suppose the issue is this: the problem is NOT GW it is the player base. Those who kick without discussing what they think is the problem first are probably people you don't want to team with anyway.

Summary - problem exists between keyboard and chair.

When I join a group, I ping my build.

If you want me to run something different, say what you want, or post the template.

If I don't like it, I'll leave.

It's really easy, no point in wasting time over simple things.

I have no problem with them. I know my builds, know why they work. If anyone has a problem with that, their loss.

Well, here we disagree. I've seen some bad monk builds. They were actually *BAAAHD*. There's areas and zones and missions and quests where certain details matter.

The problem comes not when people refuse to change the build, but when they refuse to accept that certain builds won't work, or that they are lacking a certain skill, or that another skill is better choice.

So can i ask what build you use that gets you in a position of being judged then ultimately kicked...??

most groups will ask you to change a couple of skills/spells first..

reason they get worked up over it is because as an example 55monks in FoW slipping into teams then let team die and go off on there own and solo..

Ok, just to clear this up...

I'm not complaining that I'm getting kicked from guilds. I'm using a simple WoH build that I built and a few people I asked for advise agreed with.

I just hate to see some good builds be kicked from a group because of a jerk-of-a leader.

Wow. I've never been kicked from a group for my build, and I generally never ever run cookie cutter builds, and never builds off wiki (ugh) I just make my own.

Must be you then. Btw I love this feature, so glad it came.

The beauty of build pinging is that it permits selection on both sides of the equation such that players are happier:

1) If the leader wants a specific build (or something close to it) in a slot, and another player refuses to run it, the problem gets resolved.

2) If you're running a good build that's non-standard but will get the job done (perhaps more effectively than the standard), and the leader can't figure that out, you probably didn't want to play with that leader anyway.

This DOES tend to crimp imagination, which isn't a great thing. However, I can tell you from experience in Hard Mode Deep that if you, as leader, come up with a team concept that is vastly superior to the existing standard, and you PuG good players, your concept will VERY rapidly replace the existing standard.

Upshot: if you want to innovate, do it as a team leader or find a good leader that trusts you, innovate and let the organizer organize.

I think your friends must fail at the game Rexion. That is my thoughts.

Waste of peoples time.

Its not a.net's fault that the community is full of jerks.

I disagree with the OP.
And remember kids, cookie-cutter != bad.

I always ping when I enter a team.

Normally I run things that are strange. Normally I run things I've also tested with H/H to make sure they're not utter crap.

If somebody is running something horribly bad, I have no problem asking them to change. Normally I offer a reason for my wanting to ask them to change. Especially when people just have random skills with no synergy. If there's something I'm missing, then I expect them to correct me and tell me why I'm wrong. If I'm satisfied, then I'll let it go.

This is mostly only in higher-level areas of play where I *expect* people to have the skills and materials needed to have a decent build and selection of other builds to choose from. Lower level PvE? I can care less. I also do this in any form of PvP.

Well, it really depends on what you want done. If you want to finish a mission to continue the story, I usually would not even bother looking at builds, just a quick glance to make sure they are not completely weird.

If they are, I will give the player some advise, and send them some builds for reference. Usually they do not have all the skills needed, but thats fine.

If I am gunning for some hard masters and HM or whatever, I might be a bit more stringent, builds have to at least be a bit more punch.

There are times when I wish I had asked people to ping their builds. Like that one Mo/E I PuGed who only ever cast Flare and Fireball. Not very frequently either. If I had known he had aspirations of being a nuker, I would have brought a hero monk.

Rexion - as I have said previously, this is not a product of the ping your build function. It is a problem with people because they choose to run certain team builds. It frustrates me when I organise a certain team for something and someone decides to be contrary and basically "not play the team game".

Certainly, I'm sure some good builds do get kicked by people, but you have to stop and think whether it's a case of the build not being quite so good for certain area - take hex heavy HM areas, there needs to be hex removal.

The leader IMHO is only a "jerk" if they kick without 1) asking for change of build, and 2) asks for a "cookie cutter build" which is not going to work in the area and won't listen to those who say so.

Many cookie-cutter team builds often do not pretend to be otherwise. They say: B/P lf ranger, team lf sf nuker for Fow - if someone then comes into the team without the requested build, and refuses to load said build then as far as I am concerned that player is being the "jerk" and not the leader who kicks them.

If its a good build, then its the leader's loss. Not your friend's, he is better off not being in a group where the leader does not know what a good build is.

^True^
but imo,OP isnt using anything decent.
take that mending+avatar of balthazar+whatever crapppy skills youve got off your bar and watch happiness fly your way