Slaver's Exile (and DoA) Nonsense

I play a Dervish and recently attempted to join a team for Slaver's Exile, deciding to PUG it. I don't know what it is, but people started mocking me for wanting to join a group with a Dervish.

I had a similar experiance with DoA a few weeks back and I'm starting to get really annoyed with this narrow requisite people have. They read a walkthrough like they would the Bible and blindly follow it.

I'm sure there are a few people out there that have gone through a similar experience with their Assassins, Ritualist, Paragon or Mesmers, these seem to be the proffesions that get no benefit of a doubt when PUG'n these "elite" areas of the game.

It's unfair and i just want to shed some light on the subject. Please, discuss.

Its simple really, most PUG's suck and have little to no understanding of how classes outside the trinity work. Don't worry about it, either play with guildies or just try and find a couple of like minded people in the outpost and fill up with heroes, you should have little difficulty completing slavers that way.

There's a quick way to do it and a fun way to do it. And for some people, it's fun to do it quick. Somewhat hypocritical to criticize other people's playing styles, while moaning about their dislike of yours.

The quickest methods, (at least for the Canthan elite missions), are generally the most streamlined and "cookie cutter." Or Ursan.

PARAGONS FTW!

Paragons are overpowered and if you think there not then you need to get a clue. Honestly I dont even have melle people in my party in PUGS or Hench/Hero teams but thats personal preference, no point in bashing PUGS its been done over and over and over and over and over(x100000) just get on with it.

It's because Dervs are horribly imba in pve and people don't want Slaver's to be turned into a playground for scrubs.

Dervs are awesome. If you understand and know how to use them. Same with any other class in the game for that matter. People hate what they dont understand.

I'm not moaning about play style...I'm highlighting the fact that people are so narrow minded about changing teams up because it's not written in a walkthrough.

If only that were the case, but the truth is the majority of people find quick to be fun because they blindly ignore any other way.

The trinity IS a play style to some. Heh it's how I beat THK hardmode. In many people's case, they like it best. Narrow minded of them not to at least experience other methods? yes. Wrong? No.

Blindly ignore every other way? I tried the deep once with 3 monks 2 nukers 3 sword warriors, a mm, a TNTF para, a VERY skilled mesmer friend, and a choking gas ranger. It died fast.

Yes, but typically Trinity groups are not very fast tbh.

Actually there has been an excellent guide written explain why non trinity groups are mostly superior to the trinity http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10194416
it's just that a lot of people are so attached to the way the game used to work and refuse to leave their trinity cocoon. Don't let these people drag you down to their level of playing, find a guild or even just a couple of friends who are actually good players instead.

most pugs forming for the slaver follow this strategy.

A dude go to tank
some other dude nuke from a safe distance.
some monk dude heal the tank dude.

its definitly a boring strategy but it work.

The only problem is a dervish dont fit well with this. if you really want to join in a pug then go to cap obsidian flesh and do the tank.
I completed hardmode ducan with a devish tank so it work.

If you dont what to change your build, well, you cant complain of other people narrow mind and the refuse yourself to change.

And there is always the hero/hencie combo. beat most of exile with it. They never complained me playing thumper instead of barrage, me not taking frozen soil, aggroing 2 group etc etc. (basicly i tabspaced my way through).

I'm willing to make any changes and have infact built an Obs Derv, still to be mocked just because I'm a Derv...makes me think of the 300hr+ I've put into my main character (the Derv) and sob. lol.

Anyway, I can see that I'm not the only one irate with Walkthrough Worms.

I would recommend not using Obsidian tank, its a bad build on any profession. Don't let other's dictate that you should use a bad build just because THEY suck, find a better group and get the job done a lot faster.

I run my ranger there, as a tank sometimes even, in pugs.... the problem is one incompetent person controlled by fear (they are the ones loudly dissing others builds) will usually convince a pug to not take someone. The rest of the party will give into an idiot as they just wanna get it over with.
Persistence will win out, just learn the cookie cutter build for derv tank, learn the dungeons and then start experimenting.
If you don't have folks (alliance or friends or guildies) who wanna go with you, its pugs, and all their problems.

The problems with the elite areas is that Anet fails at game balance. The only way to kill things in hardmode now (since they have infinite energy) is to nuke the hell out of them in one huge damage spike. Otherwise, they just mop up all the damage for free.

haa i hate those always saying where to place ... if i listen to them i have only one role keepins frozen soil ...
and yes , tanking can be fun sometimes (with stone striker)

Where the hell are you playing? I have not found that at all.

well i tried to change goa before gwen came out and it worked for alittle while. tili left becuz of gwen being released.

only toon i ever played for 2 years was a ranger. gettinginto a group in goa was hard (other then famine for 2 man, then trapper for 5 man or solo trappign veil) all this was boring i wanted to beat malyx.

in order to do this i had to beat all4zones, so i found a group willinf to take me as a bip , as time went on i stared to get in groups more and more. pople liked having a ranger as a bip (there plus to having a necro and- to having a necro. samthing with a ranger) then we had to new floud of pope come into goa saying ranger cant bip go trap!!!

once agin i i had to deal , at this time warriors and dervs and eles where starting to tank (warriors where worse so many newbs as warriors) and i was tired of bipping. did it to long

so i ast down and made a build so i could tank as a ranger. and it was stored away for about 1 week. then someon old goa buddieswanted to do a quad run. but all they needed wasa tank and none wanted to tank .

joking around they said ranger your taning come to goa ad1!! hearing that all i said was i have the build and armor to do that . they all laugh then said wait this is ranger we talking about.

got into group did a quad in hm in 5 hours 24 min back then that was great time!! at the time this being my frist run.

then i worked on helping others being able to get into groups and beat goa mesmers rits paragon and etc,,,

i came up with a 6 man build that beat every zone leaving room for 2 extra spots and i did not mean them beingin group and doing nothing . extra def and damge makes things faster. helped rits and alot of paragons . mesmer alot every group of mine used one!!

so word of advise i fyou good enough and take time and try you can get anything down and not have to be what every one else is doing

Well, if you are the tank (dervish, warrior, ranger, ele, para), then there are some specific skills that are absolutely critical for doing elite missions. For example, if you don't have Obsidian Flesh variant build, expect an immediate kick - no questions asked!

In addition, if you have NEVER done this before and also you do not communicate well either on Vent/TS or on screen, then it is YOUR fault for failing the whole team. People's preference for tanks go as follows:

1. Take an experienced guildie for tank.
2. Take an experienced pug for tank
3. Take an inexperienced guildie for tank (who listens and has the build right).
4. Take an inexperienced pug for tank (who listens and has the build right).
5. Never take an inexperienced pug for tank (who neither listens and is arrogant about his build which btw won't last 5 seconds under elite mission's aggro).

Experienced means having done that particular elite mish several times.

Now, ask yourself, where do YOU fit?

If you are at positions 4 or 5, it is time to join a good guild that does elite missions and who actually take the pleasure to teach newbie tanks the process of elite tanking.

Care to enlighten me something other than Obsidian Flesh for tank? This excludes spell breaker aid from monks.

Tanking=fail. Visit the warrior forum to find out why.