Canthan Grandmaster Cartographer in a day - What's A-Net going to do about it?

If this thread just starts to be more of page 12, then I'm just going to close this.

Did you think about skill capping info on the wiki making the Legendary title in that track easier to get? Why are there no arguments against that? Now instead of doing guess work, asking guildies, friends, making threads in the forum, you have a central place with all the info on where to go and what strategies to use.

Shh Saraphim, we don't want Mapping Out to be erroneously called a cheat program!

To be truthful, both TexMod and Mapping Out are godsends, and since they run independently, they are both great assets to the community. This thread really is all about e-peen.

No worries, you don't want to know the percentages of players in other games that have cheated one point or another... By the way, I use crystal meth every PVP game so my reactions are uber!

Well I could not argue for so long if it was about normal 'peen'. There'd be no competition for me!

QFT...

Nuff said in this post. Please close.

Your post is long, but not well thought out. And calling everyone ignorant who knows better, has actually used the program and knows what it does, makes you to be the sore loser here. Because of that, we know who is the one actually doing the QQ.

My whole point was that use of the mod is widespread - check the OP.

Three types of people have posted in here:

1) Those who did the title without modifying their game client, who are also disappointed that it's been cheapened and can be achieved with 5% of the original effort needed when it was implemented into the game.

2) Those who used the mod to get their own title and take offence to me saying they got it on the cheap. Plenty of these. They are as offended by my comments as I am by their use of it to steal the title.

3) People that have little interest in the subject or knowledge about it who make a habit of entering random threads and trying to look cool by making throw away comments and putting people down.

I am quite sure that this discussion has drawn the attention to use of the mod and may even increase usage. But come on, there's a link to it on the official GW Wiki! It's well known and as I said in my OP, LGMC is the third-most maxed title you see popping up in Kamadan ... and it's evident why.

Can I also clarify that this is not an attack on the modding community. I have enjoyed some great mods in many games: RTW, CS: Source, even Kick Off 2 (bet no-one here knows what that is).

This is a very, very smart mod, a really fine piece of programming. And I would suggest that use of this mod to put someone on 99.7% out of their misery is quite a reasonable and understandable thing. I am not a grind Nazi. But using the mod to take yourself from 60% to 100% in half a day ... I'd call that ABUSE of the mod. When does a mod cross the line from time-saving to being performance-boosting? Should we give Legendary titles to people that do this? And is such use what the mod-writer intended?

Now, the reall concern is indeed Gaile "looking into it".

I think its safe to say that if results are unfavorable for modding community, OP is going to face some massive abuse. BTW, do we have his IGN?

Would you even need the mod for 60%. I mean so much of the map is blanked from the foggy stuff ;o. Then again, no telling with some .

I never cease to be amazed how full of hate GWGuru is. So many people on here would never act like this in real life; they'd get their faces filled in within 10 seconds.

What the hell?

Who do YOU think YOU are? What you gonna do? Hack my PC?

See my comment above.... it's not an attack on the modding community. However maybe you should attract the attention of the moderators for the threatening overtones here?

Torqual, there also have been many "traditionalists" posting that have never used the mod, but also stated they don't care about others using it.

I'm more confident in real life than online. Seriously.
It effects favour, and people get excited when they get the title!

Maybe I'm an animal lover?

What are the options?

> ANet installs spyware to detect texmod, bans accounts: (this aint gonna happen, im sure) lawsuits
> ANet makes their game incompatible with texmod (complete rewrite of architechture, not likely) people carry on using photoshop, not a massive difference
> ANet changes the cartographer title mechanics (kill all monsters in NM?), not gonna happen, too much effort for no return
Any more?

I think we can safely say that nothing is going to happen.

How do you think that this can be technically done? As I said before, GW and modding are two different applications, and Anet can NOT go the path of spyware to try to detect and prevent a mod (they can make the life of the modders more difficult, but surely not impossible)

So how do you prevent this from happening?

4) Those who did the title without modifying their game client but compared to other 100% maps manually or through the assistance of a 3rd party

5) People that have both interest and vast knowledge about the subject who provide compelling counterarguments against the OP argument.

etc.

lists are only as complete as the list maker's intentions.

How, exactly, is it cheapened? If I load TexMod, it shows me where to go and yet I still need to go there, scrape the wall, and hope that I'm on the RIGHT wall (since some places are on the line between zones). Since I'm still doing the same work you are, it is NOT cheapened.

You're offended because you put more work into it than they did, despite their method also being permitted and not directly affecting your ability to play. That is QQ. The only person they cheated, if anyone, is themselves. And if they cheat themselves, it is by their own choice.

Which is what you've done this entire thread, accusing everyone who didnt get LGMC your way of being cheaters, liars, and the sort. Like Saraphim said earlier there may have been a topic of discussion here, but your accusations derailed any hope of that.

And do you honestly think that the mod makes it all that much easier? So the player knows where to go. Big deal. It doesn't defog for them. Learn what it does before you attack it.

Beggars can't be choosers. Deal with the fact that it isn't cheating, or attack all mods everywhere. To enjoy mods in one game but another is being a hypocrit (sic?).

So you finally admit that the mod is a great thing. But who are you to tell me (or anyone else here) how to play their game? They abide by Anet's rules, they don't get banned. Anet has an entire page on the wiki devoted to this program and clearly state their opinion of it. Given that, you have no business telling anyone they are a cheat or a liar or anything of the sort because of their use (or lack thereof) of this mod. If they go from 60% to 100% in half a day, kudos to them! If they do it with TexMod, still kudos to them! Doubly so if in Tyria or Elona where the map is bigger. But that's not ABUSING the mod. The mod is doing exactly what it was designed to do, and if a player chooses to play that way it isnt your right to tell them not to do so.

Please, for the sake of the community accept that you are wrong and get over it.

Therefore the reason that an 'official wiki' page says the program is some what allowed? Although, I have never used texmod. What exactly is it, dll files or what? It's easy to ban dll files.

Fixed.

One point I'd like to bring up: for Cartography guides/mods to be useful, "traditional" GMCs had to contribute to them. Now why would those GMCs object to people using the guides or mods?

Nothing more than an executable and a text file. You load .tpf files into the Executable and then tell it which .exe to load (in GW's case, Gw.exe).