[PvE Debate] Sup Runs vs Health

So, I run my Monk in PvE with minor runes only. I find that the extra health is cuddly in certain circumstances, and I have yet to find any problems with my healing/protting as a direct result of running with Minor Runes.

However...one of my friends decided he wanted to have a miniature flame war about this, that I always run minors in PvE and I should be using a Sup etc etc bla bla.

Anyway, we settled the argument by agreeing to disagree, but I have decided to take a general consensus amongst other PvE monks about whether they run with Sups or not.

This isn't for flaming or arguing please, just stick to saying which you prefer and why you prefer it. Always good to get some outside output.

I'd really say it's a matter of preference. I've always ran a sup on my monk and I've never had any problems that a minor run would of fixed.

Minors, on everything 'cept bonder and farmer.

Don't really need the extra few health on LoD or what have you; Protection Prayers are strong even with lower specs; nah, I'd rather sit on ~600hp and Monk knowing the AI will totally ignore me, and instead go for the tarded Ele who thinks Sup Energy is haXx.

not only do the AI ignore higher hp'ed party members witch makes it a strong point no to take sups you also only heal for a small amount

[skill]Words of comfort[/skill]
normal heal: 51(at 12 att) 60 (at 15 att)
conditional: 39 (at 12 att) 45 (at 15 att)

[skill]Reversal of Fortune[/skill]
ignorance of damage 67 (at 12 att) 80 (at 15 att)

is it really worth losing 75 hp to heal for 15 damage or ignore 13 more? really if you are being hit for over 60 dam you should be using [skill]Spirit Bond[/skill][skill]Protective Spirit[/skill]

so personally i find using sups is a huge was of A health and B money

If you're PvEing, you don't need to choose, just bring both. Get a Sup headpiece and a Minor headpiece and swap as necessary. It really doesn't matter though. Success on a mission doesn't rely on you running Sups or Minors, they both work (you can Monk without runes if you want).

It's good to see I'm not alone in my use of minors. As olly123 attempted to point out (although mis-spelt slightly) you do only heal for a small amount less than with a sup rune.

My monk has 600hp most of the time, with a 570set for switching to if I need enchant bonuses.

As for the sup/minor take both thing, no can do.

I am currently using 1 storage box, my body and another 1/5 of a storage box for 15k armors, with a farming set, some bonus armor (crown, glacial gloves, specs etc) in storage. I have a +4 Smite and +4 Divine Head Piece for farming purposes, and then a +2 Heal and +2 Prot set for regular use. I think I also have a +2 Divine somewhere incase I feel like running Blessed Light. As you can see, I don't really want to clutter my storage any more. Give my other lesser-beings some consideration. They do need SOME storage room

Yes my Monk is my main.
Yes she probably has way to much stuff.
So sue me

Anyway, keep the opinions going

my hero monks do not have any runes at all.

i think that says enough. :P

(if you can't figure it out; adding a minor will only make it better, sup are overkill -- i used to run sups and when i switched to minors i noticed how much easier it was..so...)

however, Sab has a point. you can always head-swap. comes in handy and bonders etc, although you don't even have to swap back on bonders because you should be out of range anyways.

The amount a superior healing rune will help you is inversely proportional to how good you are at using your prot. If you're good with your prot, superior runes are entirely worthless. If you're shit, superior healing might be needed to keep red bars up in a protless environment.

I Monk naked.


Truth be told, I run superiors in PvE, but that's only because I use them for farming and I am too much of a cheapass to buy anything else. Minors are definitely the way to go.

I use minors when not farming however I could alway pull one out.

Minors all the way, altough I think it doesn't matter in PvE.
IMHO the health loss doesn't stand in relation with the small added heal.

I gave up pve monking when they gave us heroes, but I always run superiors on them. With proper use of the terain, you can go through practically the whole game with your monks taking nothing more than an occasional wanding. Having superiors has the extra advantage of making the ai try to target the squishies, making it easier to round them up into sympathetic visage/splinter/spiteful/whatever deathballs.

i run sup in farming but i use alot of minors for pve........ but hey if u could keep other alive and you do a good job doing it than my hats off to you kid....

I went through all of tyria and cantha on superiors. After learning how to play the game (by the time nightfall came around), I've played the rest on minors. Anyone who tells you that you're gimped because you're running minors is just silly. With smart PSing, the amount of red-barring you'll have to do is minimal, and a 14 attribute heal would easily cover it.

I just like the idea of having 580-640 health in PvE/FA. Makes those wammos mad when they ping their health under endure pain and still have less than me :O

Personally I use Superiors because it really does bug me if I can't get 16 in an attribute. Just a pet-hate I guess. It's the same across most classes. I dunno...just seems wrong...I guess that's just a personal reason. Clearly though, it means I must suck at the game since I prefer a superior rune over a minor, or major one though eh, Ensign? Generalisations ftw?

I think not.

Most of my heroes tend to be given minors or majors because if there is one thing a hero is not good at, it's positioning him/herself...so the extra health is useful in these situations, but for a human player who knows how to position himself, knows how to kite, to move out of AoE and generally defend himself? What use is extra health anyway, as everyone keeps reminding everyone else, PvE is just C+Space world.

I always use a Sup rune. I don't mind if I get targeted. 20+ seconds of 10 regen and 115 armor lets me sit pretty comfortably.

Quote: Originally Posted by holymasamune

Really, the choice is whatever works best for you. It's PvE, so you can make pretty much anything work.

My monk uses one superior rune, as he's a smiting monk and that attribute is a case of "all or nothing" in my opinion. The rest of his armor has a minor divine favor, a minor healing, a vigor and a vitae to give him some extra survivability and power up his self-heal.

Quote: Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

Quote: Originally Posted by Faer Needz moar 1 Vitae ruen. I run hybrid heal/prot, which means I have sup vigor, minor heal/prot/div, leaving only one vitae versus 2 for a non-hybrid monk :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver but for a human player who knows how to position himself, knows how to kite, to move out of AoE and generally defend himself? Then I suggest you learn how to prot too. That way it doesn't matter if you have 14 or 16, but you gain the advantage of not being the first target the monsters munch on. And given that 99.9%+ of GW monks don't know how to prot, chances are you don't either...