DAGGERS! 15^50 vs. Energy +5!

Hello.

They call me Soul, Soul of Seraphs is my full GW name. Pleased to meet you.

I have been, for a long time, against 15^50 for daggers. Now, before you blast my head off with reasons why I shouldn't be, I stand before you with the TRUTH. It may shock you, so buckle your easy chair belt, your going a fast, dangerous, TRUTHERCOASTER! (ok that was awful, im so sorry.)

Please note that this is not an official experiment, but is legit by an oath of honesty

OBJECTIVE

Find which is more useful in the long run: 15^50 or energy+5?

BEGINNING DETAILS

I only had Fifteen(15) points on dagger mastery, No other bonuses to deal more damage or hit critical hits more often.

MATERIALS



Please note: All daggers are equipped with mods that do not give damage bonuses of any sort, other than the inscriptions and if they are or are not customized.


PROCEDURE

All my experiments were on the Isle of the Nameless' 60 armor suits, for maximum damage and clearest results.

I would select my dagger (Bonus: +35, +20, +15 +0) and strike the armor suit 10 times. I would then record the data. Repeat on all bonuses.

I would then try the big one, the one that got my heart pounding. Attack skills. Are attack skills totally affected by 15^50? I used the same procedure with Black Mantis Thrust 10 times on each bonus.

DATA

~Normal attack~

This data is for damage dealt while normal attacking.

BONUS:
+35= 16, 16, 27, 26, 11, 36, 18, 23, 13, 37 Average=* 22.3
+20= 11, 13, 18, 10, 11, 12, 32, 36, 18, 21 Average=* 18.2
+15= 13, 18, 13, 18, 31, 27, 31, 34, 18, 12 Average=* 20.5
+0= 14, 29, 11, 27, 31, 9, 14, 17, 32, 15 Average=* 19.9

DIFFERENCE: 2.4 damage

~Black Mantis Thrust~

I chose Black Mantis Thrust because its a very basic and widely used attack skill. This is for damage dealt.

BONUS:
+35= 37, 41, 57, 36, 32, 37, 57, 35, 51, 44 Average=* 42.7
+20= 41, 34, 31, 41, 35, 52, 42, 36, 42, 54 Average=* 40.8
+15= 37, 51, 35, 49, 41, 30, 36, 39, 41, 34 Average=* 39.3
+0= 30, 36, 31, 52, 50, 49, 30, 38, 34, 37 Average=* 38.7

DIFFERENCE: 4.0 damage

* Hitting critical hits sort of messed the averages up, but regardless I hit an average of 2.2231 critical hits per test. so the data still stands legit, but only by .2231% of a critical hit! Yikes! Please note that averages were double-checked!

CONCLUSION

Unfortunatly theres no denying that theres not much of a difference between a damage +35% bonus compared to a +0% bonus, even on attack skills. I'm sort of relieved about that though, it would be embarrassing to know you've been wrong the WHOLE TIME lol . Regardless of the data, opinions still stand and will forever be respected. I will forever have the right to use and hold this data as UNDENIABLE PROOF.

Please dont bite my head off!

-Soul of Seraphs

Comments? Questions? DATA BUGS OR FLAWS!? Please feel free to E-mail me at:

[email protected]

...And remember; Souls got yo back!

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Please take a moment to thank the suits of 60 armor everywhere for making this experiment possible.

While it may not be in the appropriate place, this is definantly some pretty cool information. Thanks bro!

oh dear, where should this go? :'0 and Ty XD

Yes, I thought everyone knew that 15>50 is attack damage only. It's a small amount of extra damage, yes, but many combos don't need the extra max energy.

I'd suggest a 15% bonus damage set for normal use, and bring a combo requiring 25e or less. If your combo requires more, add radiant insignias or attunement runes until you can use it.

When you get DP, bust out the +5e daggers, so you can perform your combo again.

Sorry, but I don't think this is very accurate. I think you should do it 100 times each atleast.

Example: Flip a coin 100 times. 80 tails 20 heads. How accurate is that when looking at 50-50 chance?

Guild Wars is a game of small advantages, not huge ones. Max damage and max defense items are easy and cheap to come by, even if they are common skins and so everyone is offered a common ground that is easy to reach.

The first part, and the easiest part to understand about being good at this game is realizing that nickels and dimes added together become dollars. +9 hp from a sup vigor instead of a major, +1 hp from a perfect weapon mod instead of a +29 one, up to an additional 18 armor on a shield for non-specced casters and 26 for specced casters and warriors. Most people are adamant about not giving up that extra point of life on a weapon, or not equipping armor fully with insignias and appropriate runes, or an extra percentage point on an enchant mod, and so on. Neither would they surrender any additional damage from a weapon that they are specced to USE, even IF your numbers are correct and the difference is only a few points.

The truth is, there is no reason not to have your cake and eat it too. Most good assassins carry 15^50 zealous and 15^50 vamp daggers, both customized so that they can manage their energy by swapping weapons. Assassins don't benefit significantly from additional base energy - they do by using efficient combos, proper use of their primary attribute and by weapon swapping. And why do they do this? Because they know that better preparedness and a willingness to actively monitor their energy makes a better player and a better player never drops a dime.

-Jessyi

ive always used +5 because its ezier to fulfill my chain.

id want to be able to have more energy than acouple extra dmg...

when it comes down to it the 15% more of 17... is like 2 dmg... if u really want more dmg, bring both zealous and vampiric, vampiric when u have energy, thus u can have +3> 2, and use ur combo. this is what i do.

in addition to this, i know many sins like to use energy armor rather than health... so in reality im just making my survibility higher, while lower dmg very lowly, but having the same amt of spike time... so i guess in reality im just lowering dmg(2) to be able to survive spikes/solo better

Quote: Originally Posted by Jessyi

why long article ?
just use 15^50 on high damage weapons, en+5 on low damage weapons. done.

O.o uh oh, hope this doesnt start a war, already getting mixed opinions. meep. And im really truly sry jessyi, but you lost me at "the first part".

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Tongling layin down the law and tellin it like it is!

Soul your good but you won't help a fellow Sin out with farming. Therefore your not a nice player.

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o.O Does 15^50 only affect normal space-bar attacks??

If yes, then does it boost Shattering Assault?

I think by low vs high damage weapons I think he ment for other classes...hammers, bows, ect.

15^50 with hammer = win.

The conclusion is that your math is flawed.