Norn, Vangaurd,ect title tracks

Oh, and a big NO for making the rep titles account-based. I don't see how that would work in the game world. I mean, Character X did all the quests, so it's him/her that should have the rewards for it, not character Y, who reached level 20 just five minutes ago and has only the Boreal Outpost on the map. It's a game world like you said. So how about it was Player X who did all the work, so Player X's work should be reflected on all Player X's chars. I don't know much about reputation titles but even if they're easy to work on, doing them N times (if you have N chars) seems heavy grind to me. N > 1 for me, so I want these titles to be account based especially since there are what, at least 4 of them? (Asura, Norn, Deldrimor, Ebon Vanguard or something)

I really don't see the problem with the titles. Honestly, there are people that got the armor already, thats 56K points in less than 3 days. Doesn't seem that it will be very hard to get the titles maxed out. I played for 8-10 hours total for the whole event and was able to get thru 3 of the dungeons and almost all the quests done and still came out with 4000 points and missed alot of extra points by not going around to all the shrines and grabbing the bonus points. Yes, those people grinded their ass of with nonbear pepeatable quest, 25 hours in row at least.

Given that playing throught all quests, dungeons and getting blessings nets you about 15k points, what are you supposed to do after that?

And dont tell me that I should "work" for that armor or whatever. One would think that actually getting enough to pay for that armor is ... suficient.

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Most people also dont get one fact: Good design should be where everything comes naturally.

I.E. To obtain armors, doing all quests and exploring all dungeons/areas once should net enough of whatever to get it.

AS it stands, for 15k points to necesary amount, its just keeping people busy and online, but not entertained. One could play StatBuilder to get same entertaiment value.

I just dont understand why - it not like anet needs to keep people online to pay montlies or anything.

(btw: obsidian armor/vabbian armor costs are fine, mostly because they can be outsorced to other characters, i.e. character better at farming or simply character having spot in teambuilds)

u can't reach r5 norn by doing 2 hours of nornbear quest. a run takes 15mins and gives u 500 points.

that makes 4k in 2 hours and you need 26k for r5. let's say you were extremly lucky and managed to avoid all aggro and do all the runs in 10 mins. that gives u 6k norn points in 2 hours. plz stop lieing about the things you post.

as for the dungeons, you get Dwarf points from the enemy u kill there, not norn. the only norn thing u get is the reward for completing the quest which is 750points for frostmaw. it takes about 1.5 hour average if you're fast.

i grinded to r5 norn and it is GRIND. i didn't enjoy it and i think it's a lame requirement. i gave up on r7, thinking to grind more when the game is out because frankly, i got fed up by the same areas over and over.

i think it was better to just have the crafters later in the game. it's a nice surprise to progress through the game and find the crafters. but now, just gotta stay in 1 place and grind...... as ppl mentioned before, what we seen in the preview is likely almost the entire norn area.
Lol, you calling me a liar? I keep forgetting this place is full of know-it-all idiots. Obviously, I already had rank four of the title, and I got that from doing quests and dungeons. When I found out that the rank I was headed to would let me be able to craft Norn weapons, I did the Nornbear quests for about 2 hours to get to the title. Stop being an asshole, try at least. I said I did not do a lot of grinding, and I did not, yet still got to rank 5.

Oh yeah, I don't know your player skill, but it has to be low if you couldn't finish Frostmaw in less than 1.5 hours. 45 minutes is even too long lol. An hour and a half, sorry but you suck man.

Another thing you seem to have forgotten is that in every explorable, there are Norn, sitting at shrines waiting to give you blessing for single creature you kill in that area. Every increment of 25 get you extra points, or a bonus for every creature (up to 4), plus the chance for a quick 200 if you kill a boss. Oh yeah, if you're a semi-intelligent person you'd wait before you talked to another Norn at another shrine because after a certain number of kills, they give you an extra 140 points. Oh, and then there are the quests and dungeons...

Now sure, if you're the kind of player that just needs instant gratification, then I can understand how getting those points would be grind to you. Me? i like to take my time, explore the area, get the most out of the experience, so nothing felt like a grind to me. I was at rank four before I knew it. If you don't like grind, then why did you grind idiot? To see the armor? don't worry about it next time, check wiki in a week and you will see it, no grind needed; maybe I will post a few screenshots for you.


Oh yeah, and to get back on track, I love the way they have it set up. The rank required to get armor really requires no grind, unless you just like grinding. Playing though this game intelligently will get you the rank needed I am pretty sure about that.

I sure hope the requirement is temporary. There's no way in hell I'm farming 56k points for each armor set I wanna get. If this requirement stays I might forget about getting GW:EN. I played this weekend at a leisurely pace to amuse myself and I found just by doing normal stuff I acquired Slayer of Giants with ease. It took me only one night of omg must farm to acquire Slayer of Wurms. If I can go from 0 to 29k Norn in a weekend when I'm not deliberately grinding it just means it will take a full week of standard play or half a week of grind play to move from 0 to 56k Norn.

Now considering GW:EN is it for a while, do you really want everything served up and done in under 3 days? Or do you want GW:EN to last you a bit and have your grinding rewarded with new items, better skills etc.

I know 56k seems steep but its not like you're using sub par armor and only the norn guy gives you good stuff. It might even make the armor a little more prestigeous.

I point which has been missed here is the fact that once the game goes live we will be able to access the "hero journals" which will (as far as I could tell from what the NPC's who will be selling them have said) somehow increase the speed that reputations is gained. Once this is introduced it will be even easier to get the required points to get the armour. Yes, I noticed this and decided it would probably be better to just wait a week until the release and see what this "Hero's handbook" does. Plus, it's likely the blessing rewards will be double in hard mode. You just finish the missions and come back to max out your reputation points for each title.

I got almost 20k Norn reputation points this weekend just by doing the quests and going into dungeons (which also earned me 10k points for the Dwarven title). I think these titles will possibly be the easiest to max out in the entire game and there will be no problem meeting the armor crafter requirements whenever you bring a new character to GWEN.

u can't reach r5 norn by doing 2 hours of nornbear quest. a run takes 15mins and gives u 500 points. Takes me 8 minutes without even rushing.

I got rank 5 at the weekend by playing the game, I did the norn bear quest three times just to see what time I could get it down to.

I cleared areas that I was in just to see what all the bonuses were, did all the quests that I could do and thoroughly enjoyed it all, including the fantastic dungeons (even though I was hasty when I completed the first two and didn't see the chest - despite the HUGE picture of a chest flashing up).

All in all I like the title requirements, I really wanted to see what the norn weapons were like so I got the points I needed to use the weapon crafter. If you want the weapons/armour that much you'll be happy to get the points.