How to drive away hard core collectors in pve

First off as I said you can go to a town and buy 1, no need to buy another chapter for 1. Or if they are really desperate in need like you are saying ask a friend. Maybe better for you but not everyone. So its not as simple as you are trying to make it seem. And if you still think its better than heres this. Tell me what colletors you want inscriptiable Ill get it and well do a 1 on 1 match your so called better weapon(no skills) vs just my chars skills. ITS not the damn weapon. Someone whos been around long enough LIKE YOU should know that by now. But since you are so hung up on inscriptables hows this then. Make ONLY collectors inscriptable in all chapters.

Well, there are still lots of people who waste all their time farming, and they are still getting FoW, and buying good weapons, not to mention botters. People with halve a brain would realise that power trading works better. And of course, not everyone sees thing like loot scalling as a nerf, that's only a matter of opinion.

As much as I disagree with you, have a winner sticker for saying that.

As far as the weapons mods, I do agree that it shouldn't matter. This rich vs poor crap....you do realize this is a GAME, and that Malice could be living in a trailer park or some hut outside Shanghai farming with the Mo/Me "Q W E R T" for all we know? And the prices on the three games? Yeah, if you bought them when they first came out. I saw a few posts here about either Wally World or Tar-jay selling the set for $60. I know for a fact you can get each copy for $30 at Best Buy. Unless you are a bad money manager, or are twelve, you should be able to afford that.

The game has certain ways they reward those who were there from the beginning. Before you call me that, I have just hit my 6 month mark, so I don't fall there. For those that were, one of the few ways they can show this unique status is through these weapons. It also adds a uniqueness to Tyria, like the Kurzick/Luxon faction skills and the sunspear skills and ranks. Take that away and you start to affect the hardcore base that talks up the game when the temps had their fun and go somewhere else. There will be stuff in GWEN, I am sure, that will be unique to that game.

For me it wouldn't be a money issue(try growing up Tremont Ave in E.Orange, NJ, a few miles from Newark, then talk to me about money issues. Hippie.), because those items are rare enough not to matter in the game economy, like saying a 1920's Rolls-Royce Silver Ghost affects the price of Fords. They are too rare to matter. MAYBE Anet could have rare non-inscription items appear in a few places(other than Urgoz/Deep, for Chrissakes!), for a brief period, making it possible for those in those games to have something unique. Then they could keep the non-inscription items in Tyria while having inscriptions available to the rest. However, unless you are as described above, you still have factions and nightfall. Save your lawn-cutting money or stop the beer bashing for a few weekends and buy them if you want the inscriptions.

Or just wait. Anet is gonna do inscriptions in Tyria, anyway. You don't have to be a genius to see how they operate, as far as those things are concerned.

QFT. If you weren't taking it seriously, why have I not seen a page in SEVEN without your name on it? Most twice or more? Anyone moderating Ventari's?

I'd like for the Tyrian Weapons to be inscriptable. It won't make the uninscribable weapons any more common. I see people paying a bit more for 15^50 uninscribable weapons, so the 1337 factor will still remain. There are still extremely rare swords for image conscious players to get and show off, like an Elemental Sword, Runic Blade, etc, etc. The only Gold weapon I have is an IDS btw, so I may not feel the same way as those with 15^50 uninscribable Brute swords, but the way I see it, it does not really disadvantage any players, it only makes it easier for a player who does not want to farm endlessly to get that nice skinned sword he/she's been eying since getting the game.

Interesting thread.

I personally don't use anything that is inscribable, but I think that is due to my "old school" roots more than any sort of elitism.

I still get a thrill out of finding a gold item in either Prophecies or Factions, for the simple "scratch off lottery ticket" feeling when you identify it.

I'd be disappointed if they started making NEW Prophecies/Factions drops inscribable, but I'd be simply appalled if they took my existing customized uninscribable weapons/shields and made them inscribable.

Why? I've been using most of my customized weapons for over two years now, I like them exactly how they are, and I personally don't see why they would need to be changed.

I think that's the compromise that everyone is seeking. Appeal to the masses by allowing NEW drops to be inscribable, but don't retroactively change the old items to fit the new system. It'll take away that "lottery" feeling, but will appease the old school players like myself, Herb and Malice.

What class can you possibly make where items for said class do not exist in your game. Think about what you wrote, what you suggest simply is not possible. Tell me what class you can make in a game where the items for that class do not drop. If you can make a dervish then guess what, you own the game that dervish weapons drop in. If you can make an assassin then guess what, you own at least 1 of the games that assassin items drop in. Stop reaching in to the absurd to justify altering existing games.

I personally only use tyrian style weapons for myself...but will use anything for my heros. blue,purple,green,gold inscribable or not...

But to take away the non inscriptable drops would just about ruin GW for me. I am not a hard core gamer or anything else. I am a bit more than a casual player...as very few casual gamers post on fan sites...but i am in no way elite...or ever wish to be. All weapons that I use are customized...i have very few ELITE items...if any...but all of them are max stats the way i want them...some have high req some have mid and one or two may have low req....but yet i still get a rush everytime a gold drops for me in Tyria or Cantha...as i never know what i may get...but with a NF drop I always know that i can make it perfect if i want.

SO please don't change the system....if anything Anet needs to make some drops in NF without inscriptions....I think there should be a mix....one may drop with an inscription and the next may not....but don't make it all one way or the other... There is very little left in GW that is worth getting excited over...and a req 7/8 gold drop in Factions or Prophecies...is one of the last. Don't take it away.

Ritualist::
Wands with Restoration requirement only exist in Nightfall. the other games use Spawning/Channeling if it has inspiration HCT/HRT

Mesmer:
Wands/Staff with inspiration requirement only exist in Nightfall, the other games use Illusion or Domination if it has inspiration HCT/HRT
same with Fast Casting.

Monk:
Wands/Staff with healing requirements only exist in Nightfall
Wands/Staff with protection requirements only exist in Nightfall
Monk wands/staff require Divine Favor or Smiting in the other games.
Necro:
See Soul Reaping wands/staves

No, its not as simple as going into town and buying one. Getting a friend is really the only real option.

Better for me? It doesnt really affect me. I have enough weapons, frankly, i dont need anymore, whatever i need, i can get. If i cared only about myself, why would i bother asking for something that would depreciate the good items I have?

Im not advocating for change for me. Im advocating change for the poor casual player stuck with 1 game, who wants a specific damage mod, but cant get it because:
A) any drops he gets are crap, and buying rare weapons is out of the question
B) the collectors/crafters do not exist with those mods he wants
C) the collectors/crafters that do exist collect things that are hard to get thanks to loot scaling.

1 on 1 match? In guild wars? Thats a pointless idea and irrelevant to the argument at hand.

Collectors and Crafters, i would love to see carry inscribable weapons, yes. I wouldnt mind that change at all.

I remind you of what you said;

Restoration, inspiration, healing, etc, are NOT classes, they are attributes.

AND you are wrong on every example you gave anyway. Contrary to you assertions, I can list examples of restoration wands found in Factions, healing wands found in Prophecies, etc, etc, but I don't really feel like doing your homework for you, check Wiki for yourself.

Where did i say attributes were classes? Is your reading comprehension functioning properly?

Oh sorry let me reiterate. ill bolden what i added


Orly?

Ya...thanks. I did my homework. This knowledge comes from personal experience and frustration of hunting for a specific wand for my Ritualist, only to find out that i need to get it from Nightfall.

You can read this page too: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Restoration_Staff

Well lets see, and I’ll bolden what you wrote for YOU. You said;

You then attempted to justify that statement by telling us that rit wands don’t drop with restoration reqs in Factions, that healing wands don’t drop in Prophecies/Factions with anything other then div and smite. Those are ATRIBUTES not CLASSES.

Is YOUR reading comprehension off? Do you understand what YOU wrote.

1. For consistency, the Prophecies- and Canthastuff should be also incribeable. There is really no logic reason why this should not happen. PvP-players finally have access to every skin and mod in this game for a quite moderate timeinvestment, so PvE-players should have this aswell. It's just fair. I feel sorry for the players who still think GW is the right place for their kind of playing a game, but it is not. Look out for one of those Browser-games, maybe you get happy there. Whatever.

2. Remove every unconditional weaponmods already. I mean, this is not a big deal, but high-end-GvG-games are sometimes very close and - nicely put - it would be ridiculous if it turns out a guild who won prices for 10k in cash won a close finalmatch with warriors who had these mods. I don't care about your lists, because as long as you don't have access to the actual database of GW, it's just speculation. Not everyone who has these weapons cam e to you and asked to get into your stupid list. For a highend-player it would be a very good investment to get one of those 15%-permanent-weapons in order to have an advantage.

I've tried to stay out of this thread, but it's the utter selfishness and ignorance found here that has compelled me.

"Poor elitists." Uh huh. Bet you're walking around in your 1.5k droks platemail or whatever. Whenever a couple people defend loot scaling or any other in-game mechanic that perceivably gives more wealthy players an edge, "elitist" just gets thrown around because a. it's convenient b. it's good for stigmatizing other players. I'm sure you've attempted to hate on loot scaling, and defend heroway, too. Get real, stop complaining about the success and fortune of others. Look, if Herb has the means and drive to collect and hoard various expensive weapons then let it be. Stop complaining about "elitism"...these "elitists" started out on the EXACT footing you did.

There's also been no good reason to implement inscriptions on existing tyrian weapons. Why do you want to do that? To devalue weapons further, and make them more difficult to sell, and then you can come to Guru to complain about lootscaling ruining the market???? There's no reason to implement the inscription system, mainly because it gives a deserved value to perfect tyrian weapons.

"Bad taste" Ok.... what a lovely subjective comment that was. Not even a defense of that opinion on aesthetic grounds. The point of Herb's example there was to explain the ease of the acquisition of a million gold; fow is associated with the benchmark "million mark", and the example Herb provided is to simply show how common wealth is in this game.

I understand what i wrote. You do not. You seem to think im talking about classes.

Do i need to break down my sentence for you?

I am talking about ITEMS. Weapons/Staves/Wands/Focii.

We are talking about implementing inscriptions into Prophecies and Factions. Which is about those things.

The argument is that Nightfall has better weapon system. Through inscriptions, you have more options.

Factions and Prophecies have such a crappy weapon system that their collectors/weaponsmiths do not even equal in Nightfall's collectors/weaponsmiths.

The evidence of this inequality in weapon quality is proof in the Ritualist. A Ritualist exists in factions. Ritualists can only exist in Nightfall if you have factions. Why is it, in a game where you cannot even make a Ritualist, the weapons are better for the ritualist? Collectors/Craftable/Greens/Inscribable.

Why is it I can make a PvP ritualist with superior equipment that i cannot get in PvE unless i have Nightfall, which is NOT a native place for Ritualists?

Your heated defense is interesting, specifically because the the virtual nature of Guild Wars wealth and items.

Everything is virtual, and even if everyone got free duplicable FoW and Iridescent Aegis's for every character, the milk will still be in your fridge for tomorrows cereal.

There is nothing wrong with making the game easier, or specifically easier to acquire items. There is nothing wrong with making the game harder, or specifically harder to acquire items. It all comes down to personal preference, and people's wallets opening to buy GW.

ANet has made it clear that they understand that time = money, by PvP packs.

What you are arguing for is obviously defending your own beneficial position in-game. Why let everyone have virtual items, because yours would then not be (as) special?

If you are so invested in this game that you feel a need to defend your position of priviledge, and an accompanying sense of accomplishment - in a virtual game that is not real - than I submit to you that you need to find a different achievement engine to put your time towards, hopefully one that has real-life payoff.

Thanks!
TabascoSauce

I doubt that's going to happen. Even if it does, I don't really care. I do have a lot of Tyrian items, though. Can't even give these perfect req. 8 items to guildies, as my guild pretty much dissolved, and I'm the only "active" - and I use that term loosely - player left in the guild.

Can everyone please drop the whole they are unbalanced argument. I notice you are from Peace and Harmony, if I remember correctly one of your guildies/ex guildies who appears to be clued in on game mechanics said they are less superior to normal weapons... Il Yanman lI I believe his name was.

O and yes, I am sure if they did offer a potential advantage to PVPers they would own them. At high level GVG where big money is involved surely even the slightest advantage would be desirable. If so then why the hell have I personally purchased both of mine off of Idiot Savants [iq] members? Then there are a load they sold to other people which are really nice.

Usually the people with the gold to purchase them power trade and there arnt many power traders who also have the time to trade and do high lvl pvp. Actually I dont know any.

I think some people are slightly paranoid and are using extreme scenarios to justify their argument to remove them.

If I honestly thought they were unbalanced I would use it for PVE and PVP. However, I and many other dont and they are just kept somewhere safe.

Alot of the owners almost exclusively power traded, they really are not going to be used for high level pvp.

The value of ectos has fell thus causing them to be worth in most cases less than what they paid for them. People especially rich people dont really need to sell them, let alone sell them at a loss. I know the last time one came up for sale the bids were a complete joke and it ended up getting customized.

I assure you to put your paranoia to rest, if any 15% or decent ones came up for sale they would almost certainly fall into the hands of power trader, ebayer or maybe farmer.

I have never seen high lvl pvpers scrammbling to purchase previous ones i.e. the r8 15% axe. So I really doubt they will be in the future. And like I have said tons of guilds back when 15% ffs, hod axe, sword etc were around were using these unbalanced weapons. Surely if unconditional weapons were so unbalanced like you claim they would have at least attempted to buy some? Instead I see the oppossite and high lvl (I believe iq have won $$$) guild selling all of theirs. Surely a winning guild would keep them if they were unbalanced? As it would give them an advantage and chance to win more $$$. Now they should know better than most about game mechanics.

O yeah insult my list all you like. It was never intended for this argument. But obviously the insults are justified. It was created to help people who pmed me asking for people who they could potentially buy them off of. It has also allowed people to find unconditional weapons they were unawair of and purchase them or attempt to. I am sure the new owner is grateful for the lists existance and therefore it has fullfilled one of its purposes. Its doubtful there are many more, maybe on active accounts but lets face it, 2 years and hearing nothing of them suggests they arnt coming back so late into guild wars' history. There is a slim slim chance of ones on existing accounts but you would really expect someone to know about it. People dont ask me to appear on it, dont know why you would think that, how bizarre. Its called a community effort. Like minded people all trying to document the ones in existance. The existance of them spreads through word of mouth etc.

You could claim anyone stating there are believe to be around a dozen or so r8 15>50 crystalline swords is wrong. But just like unconditional items anyone in the know and involved in trading since the start of gw is not likely to dispute such estimates. It is considered to be reasonably accurate, sure there are maybe some on inactive accounts but there arnt hundreds.

I would be interested to know how many you think exist? You do know how they were created right? You do know where and how long they were available? So how many you think there are? 100? 200? A rough guess perhaps? I would be most interested.

You come across as aggressive through insulting the list. Why would someone get so worked up? Insults dont win arguments, they only weaken them.

My position in game is honestly not that beneficial. I am not invested in this game to the slightest degree that you are speaking of. 1 character in fow, the rest in 15k armor. I have no crystallines, no runic blades, no dwarven axes. So your rather weak point is rendered null.
This thread rides along the same waves as the arguments to destroy loot scaling, ergo, laziness. That's why I argue against it.

Like I stated before: your boy scout promise to never use them has no effect on the debate. Besides, if you're doing the "civic duty" of customizing them just to take them out of the game, it shouldn't affect you if they are taken out.

I don't understand what you're getting at. Are you suggesting that unconditional weapons can only help you at VOD? That's very silly.

Because guild wars is dead.

"I know pvp people!" lol. I don't care what you say your friends say; I say you're full of doo doo. Unconditional, by definintion, is better than conditional.

Rarity has nothing to do with balance. You're making me repeat myself.

See above.

Incorrect. A 15% always weapon will always be imbalanced.

Because the game is dead. It doesn't hurt to try to get things improved, though. :]

You're still under the impression that your list is relevant. Rarity has nothing to do with balance.

You still don't get it; virtual money is not real money. I really don't care if my "assets" are devalued if I now have the opportunity to have the stats on my favorite items customized the way I want them.

Are you implying that you are rich and being victimized? I'm really not seeing the similarities.


Haven't you done that already?
Yes.

How about you people stop arguing about a few weapons that won't ever see play in PvP and start worrying more about the skill balance that's gonna happen in a few weeks. Because, let's face it, one imbalanced skill does a helluva lot more damage to the PvP world than a weapon that only works its wonders when you go under 50% health. And if you linger under 50% health and your monks aren't healing you back above it, you're dead anyways. And if you don't care about balance in PvP but more about people getting unfair stuff in PvE, you shouldn't be complaining about imba things, anyways. You already got your PvE skills.