Someone is showing GW:EN's secrets. lol

I highly doubt it as the Seers were at war with the Mursaat before Vizier Khilbron, became the Lich. Ahh, but who told you that story? Think about it.

Hehe, many NPCs can die throughout GW, yet remain alive later on. Continuity is shoddy at best in games like this. Besides, he's undead, and can only permanently die on a bloodstone. If you still have a hard time with it, imagine magical disguise in all it's amazing ability - he doesn't even have to be there for you to see an image, it's called an illusion. And if all that stops ya, he can obviously teleport. Consider all that and re-think it. There's also the fact that the Seer is very blatantly going against The Lich in Hell's Precipice. The Seer tells you exactly how to cripple the Titans. The Lich, manipulative as he is, would never do that.

There's also the fact that the Seer is very blatantly going against The Lich in Hell's Precipice. The Seer tells you exactly how to cripple the Titans. The Lich, manipulative as he is, would never do that. As I remember it, the Seer leads you into the Armageddon Lords, recklessly for the most part. This could be a final ruse of the Lich hoping the chosen ones will attack the titans head-on, and lose. We already made it there, so there's no stopping us, only hoping we die along the way, or weakening before reaching Lich.

Since the Armageddon Lords are not needed to be slain in order to dispose of Lich (IIRC), that makes more sense as an added hurdle, rather than a purposeful mission. Just solidifies my belief that much more.

EDIT: Also, it's obvious no matter what we did could stop the titans anyway, since we still have to hunt them down all over Tyria, keep that in mind. The Seer's "bonus" mission does absolutely squat to the Lich's forces.

As I remember it, the Seer leads you into the Armageddon Lords, recklessly for the most part. This could be a final ruse of the Lich hoping the chosen ones will attack the titans head-on, and lose. We already made it there, so there's no stopping us, only hoping we die along the way, or weakening before reaching Lich.

Since the Armageddon Lords are not needed to be slain in order to dispose of Lich (IIRC), that makes more sense as an added hurdle, rather than a purposeful mission. Just solidifies my belief that much more.

EDIT: Also, it's obvious no matter what we did could stop the titans anyway, since we still have to hunt them down all over Tyria, keep that in mind. The Seer's "bonus" mission does absolutely squat to the Lich's forces. In case you didn't notice, in Hell's Precipce, the Lich has become extremely cocky. He believed his Titan army was unstoppable, and that you would get killed by it while trying to stop him. He was extremely wrapped up in the prophecy becoming true (and it is obvious that he didn't know about the last part).

And really, we might as well be arguing about why the White Mantle have red capes. It's pointless to argue over Guild Wars lore.

In case you didn't notice, in Hell's Precipce, the Lich has become extremely cocky. He believed his Titan army was unstoppable, and that you would get killed by it while trying to stop him. He was extremely wrapped up in the prophecy becoming true (and it is obvious that he didn't know about the last part).

And really, we might as well be arguing about why the White Mantle have red capes. It's pointless to argue over Guild Wars lore. No real argument, just a theory. The Lich wasn't cocky because of his Titans, though he may have been elated that he now controlled them and his plan/the prophecy was being carried out, he was cocky because he had an "Ace" up his sleeve. The "Ace" everyone knows about is of course Rurik. I simply suggest he had two "Aces", Rurik and the Seer.

Again, even despite all of that, his plan succeeded. The only part that went wrong was his own demise. I'd say if the Seer wasn't him or his puppet, it must have been a huge fan of the Lich, because it played the chosen ones right into his hands, while providing enough obstacles so that the Titans could do their thing.

It is possible they got permission to use the name Urza, but I doubt it. And Rodgort is a reference to Trogdor, it is not acualy Trogdor. No matter how you try to fluff it - Urza's Rage is Urza's Rage.



Unfortunately, Urza is not used as an alternate spelling for ursa, and Urza's Rage, as I pointed out in one of my links, is not only using a copywrite character name, it is using a copywrite card name.
I fully expect a lot of those names to change from now until release. It could be a little inside joke and they fully intend to change it before actually putting it out there.

Well, at least I don't need to get excited about all the new skills and armour arts... Cos GWO just ruined the surprise for me...

I knew there was a reason i didn't sign up over there... Come on ANet, you let modders play, this happens... Actually, as much as I love modding, I hate to do it, but I agree with you. I hate spoilers, and this really is a spoiler, in a sense. My curiosity pushes me forth, forcing me to look at everything I can get my hands on, while the rest of me thinks "Aww, dammit! I didn't want to see that yet!"


Arrgh! It's like a sinful indulgence. Stupid sexy information...

Well, at least I don't need to get excited about all the new skills and armour arts... Cos GWO just ruined the surprise for me...

I knew there was a reason i didn't sign up over there... Come on ANet, you let modders play, this happens... were you forced to read through it? your own curiosity ruind it for you, you could have stoped yourself anytime