Nightfall is a Singleplayer MMORPG

Is it just me? Ever since Nightfall came out, Guild Wars has turned into a singleplayer MMORPG. When it was just Prophecies and Factions, you joined a party, and did Mission/Quests. It seems that ever since Nightfall has come out, that Guild Wars is a Singleplayer MMORPG. (Nightfall more than others). It seems that it is so hard to get into a party now because everybody is just using their heroes. Am I the only one that hates this? I wish I could do missions with a party instead of Heroes.

I have pretty much always used henchmen instead of pugs. Now its just easier. I think a lot of people have this same feeling.

Pugs have always sucked. I do my best to avoid them. I have no problem joining with my alliance for things... but say no to pugs!

Quote: Originally Posted by Evilsod

even in early gw pugs were at best kinda random. Hench/hero work efficiently and well in doing missions in PvE and you dont have to worry about pug/people issues. Now of course grabbing reliable people is fun and better but pugging simply isnt worth it when you deal with people that play poorly, have bad connections, or just leave.

I think that you should try to use real people if you can,it makes the game alot more enjoyable.Yes there r personalty isues but if everyone tried to get along with everyone it would be such a better game for everyone that plays.

I know it's hard sometimes because people act like jerks,but all and all if you took the time to be nice to others it would be alot better for everyone in GW.

my 2 cents

missions --> pug easier because it has an outpost
quests --> don't bother
masters difficulty quests --> guild

Quote: Originally Posted by Goast

If I pug, I make sure none of my teammates are idiots, AFK'ers, or warriors. Problem solved. Also leading them strictly is necessary, otherwise they won't listen

Hench are better than most pve player. They always were.
In NF Anet gave you better hench called "hero"s.
In difficlt mission i used hench, it trivial ppl.

I also don't like playing with heroes all the time, but without alliance/guild that is the best there is.

For me, there are two main reasons to Hero/Hench missions.
First of all: time. Putting a full human team can take time. Heroes/hench can be set up in one minute.
Second: Player skill. I've seen some bad PUGs yesterday in Hell's while helping a friend. That mission is easy with heroes/hench!
The second attempt I put up my monk heroes and my SS hero and they still managed to fail because one player (yes, W/Mo) was playing very bad.
This on a character I have very much experience with and that has done Hell's numerous times because of skill caps, exploration and helping others.

Solving those problems:

Time: make something like a 'sign up' for a mission, where people get a notification when enough players have signed up. Accepting the notification brings them to the mission outpost.

Skill: you never know who you meet, but some encounters can be quite nice.
I had PUGed with several of my current guild members before I joined.
I've also got a number of people on my friends list that I teamed up with a few times in PUGs.
And sometimes when you wonder why things are going smooth for a PUG, the emotes start to appear and you know....

I still enjoy PUGs now and then, but the guild keeps me quite busy at the moment.

I agree to the original poster, however Guildwars was set to become something like this from the very beginning because of instancing.

Gw is a co-op game, but it allows u to continue playing solo while friends or guildies are offline or busy. I generally play with fiends or guildies most of the time (+ fill in heroes and/or hench), however since i play late into the evening past when most go to bed, i can still play Gw with heroes and henchies. Gw may not be a MMO, but its def a Co-op game, ive made many friends ingame through out my time on gw. The key is rather than a full PUG team is to play in half PUG half Hero/hench teams, Full PUGs are still fun on occasion but if u want success you go hybrid PUG/Hero/Hench teams

Quote: Originally Posted by Sol Deathgard

well...honestly, I cannot sit down and play for a dedicated span of time like many people do. I have Kids, and a wife who thinks computer games are stupid, so in the end, I play solo so as not to have to go AFK for long periods of time or have to leave. I would love to PUG and do Urgotz runs all night , but telling my wife I cannot let the dog in because a lvl 28 dredge mob has been aggro'ed does not fly.

Also, I play late at night adn have been known to fall asleep at the keyboard.

But yeah, when I have played with others its fun

Join a close-knit guild if you want group play.

PUGs are dying because:

a) heroes are consistent
b) discrepancy between skilled and unskilled bigger
c) as a result, no good player wants to take the risk

As a result, even if you do get a PUG, it's usually filled with new players who have no clue what they're doing, and proceed to get stomped in the mission. That in turn discourages those people from pugging again.

Quote: Originally Posted by holymasamune

i agree Nighfall bringed some problems to normal GW way of game.

on past whe used to get used to parties and team play, even pugs and noobs to advance on game add to learn how to play in partie ...

... but now all is diferent game is full of heros with good builds that they use better then real people (or at least some of them) and this cause a big problem pugs and noobs advance on game thinking that saving the spam of skills that peeps chat before missions start and apply them in theyr heros and in themselves are gona turn them on good players ...

... yer this should work but problem is when they join human parties and all that crap builds thar work super on heros purelly dont work on human, sometimes i compare this to playback ... bad players with good heros where everything seems runing ok ... till ... a mission where theres no heros ...

...but then ANET created Hard Mode and all that falled down ... solo players with heros and henchs have few chances of do some missions and vanquish some areas .. so what can they do now? learn the game old fashion way or stay playing in playback mode normal mode

Nightmare dont ends here GWEN is coming and with it more heros, if its gona be so hard like im expecting its gona be fun watch the forum

I PUGged all my way through the NF missions. The quests I do hero/hench. Same with all other chapters.

Last week I've been farming LB/SS points in hardmode, also with pugs.

Quote: Originally Posted by wynoski