Presearing... Hard Mode

well i was thinking, presearing seems a bit tame after u hit a cetain level, so i thought when they activate hard mode theyd do it to the presearing too. make it so that there are higher level monsters and better drops. so that way its possible to get legendary defender and legendary survivor so what do u think?

nope, already been stated that hard mode is everywhere EXCEPT presearing

It's already possible to get Legendary Defender in pre-searing.

But you are basically 'required' to farm Charr and Death level..

By saying:

'so that way its possible to get legendary defender and legendary survivor'

I think he means get both of the titles, not just one of them

The lack of a Hard Mode in pre-searing is the reason I deleted my char who was going for that title.

My computer dies after being on for ~8 hours so I can't Death Level.

/signed as long as the highest level is a level 15 or 16 foe.

Sometimes I wonder if there's a Mr.StatetheBleedinObvious title being pursued in these forums...

/not signed

Fight the charr or go post for "presearing hard mode"

/signed You guys are so bad, all you can say is I had to do it that way so do you. Well, I'm tired of death leveling and wish there could be some way to level that was not BORING. God, my computer does not need be running while I'm at work or asleep. Think of the ENERGY saved, consider it your little bit to combat global warming and the brown outs. Make pre harder give is one more area with harder monsters and Save the Earth. Not too much to ask. Think of all the space on the servers that would be saved.

^ Umm... what server space saved?

Anyway, /notsigned
This title is supposed to be something to reward all those people who torment themselves by wasting so much time getting this (just like Drunkards).

But drunkard is 1000 min. not 1000 hours:P

Anyways i would absolutely love hard mode in pre. Would just make it better.

/notsigned for the title (but have an alternative to that)
but /signed for the idea of presearing hard mode. it would be just plain fun.

/not signed

Pre-searing is a training area for new players. If you want to play in the training area, with no decent armor and no decent spells, by all means play. The challenge there is finding something fun to do in a training area with such limited resources.

Pre-searing is a TRAINING AREA!!!!!!!!

Is it really a huge, shocking, revelation that after a certain point pre-searing is obviously going to get alot easier?

/signed

pre-searing is a TRAINING AREA with a title that you can only get if you REACH LEVEL 20 IN THIS TRAINING AREA but with a realy silly way to aquire that said title.

Presearing hard mode would be an alternative way to reach this title and with a requirement (somewhat comparable to hard mode in post having a minimum requirement) new players training in pre won't be affected whatsoever

/Signed

Presearing is indeed a Training Area but since to unlock hard mode u must have completed the campaign already atleast once, meaning u clearly don't need much more training. Adding Hard mode Presearing would mean a more sensible way to gain LDoA, it doesnt have to be Post lvl difficulty, but a slightly increased difficulty with higher lvl enemys (for better xp gain, like say them being an extra 5 lvls higher or so) and slightly improved drops. It would basically be a reward for having had completed the Campaign.

/not signed

Changing this now would totally destroy the time, effort and dedication put in by people who already have this title. If you can't put in the time required to get this title, then don't. It's that simple.

Being able to get LdoA and Max Survivor would also give prophecies players an unfair advantage in their maxed title title.

Old toons not being able to get surviver becasue they'd already died before titles were ever implemented is unfair also yet deaths were never reset (reset would give old characters a chance at surviver titles).
This is already an unfair advantage to any character that was created after titles were implemented

And about the ''changing this now...'' part..

I think you belong to this group.

Changing this now would not totally destroy the time, effort and dedication put in by people who already have this title but would give people who for whatever reason do not (or cannot) deathlevel but do want to put comparable efford using normal gameplay into obtaining this title.

There's nothing wrong with more people gaining this title as time goes by. As long as theres atleastone way to get to lvl 20 in pre more and more people will get this title and thus this title will get ''less special'' as time passes by.
Might aswell have this title obtainable in a normal way and I'd say that pre searing hard mode will do this job very nicely indeed and in the fairest way possible.
I think it's good for people to be able to choose to either ''die for this title'' or ''kill for this title''

I can see exactly where you are coming from and at the start, reading this made me want to put /signed.... but no.... I'm fraid my answer is going to have to be
/not signed
It IS a training area.... it is for new people to train, and understand how guild wars works...

ANYONE should be able to find the time to get that title (tbh it only takes about 50 solid hours of gameplay) I can't say I have it myelf... but one day.. I saw a character being made, and within 2 days, he was lvl 20, and still in pre searing...
so don't tell everyone that you need to death level.. it is just not true !

in fact... I wish Pre-searing was skippable... and I wish we would just be given the choice of our secondary profession in a little box and then take straight to ascalon(post Searing) and started at lvl 5 (or whatever level A'net see's to be suitable) but only skippable if you have allready completed it once

well... cya

Bloodless dawn

and btw... never heard the tern "LdoA".... My friends don't usually make things shorter, they just write out the whole name (apart from, afk, ToA,HoD,DoD,FoW and one or two others... (3 lettered ones mainly)

It seems this community is still split when it comes to 1) people who want Survivor in a different (not necessarily easier) method other than death-leveling and 2) people who don't want the title touched at all.

While I fall under the first cluster of individuals, there is some valid points the second group has brought up. This has, indeed, been suggested before, but the suggestion is going to keep popping up until both parties are satisfied with a solution that benefits both parties.

This solution must include (but not be limited to):
* A different method for leveling up to 20 in Pre.
* A method that is just as strenuous and time-consuming (if not more) as Death-leveling.