D/Any Balthazar's Fanatic

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Ascalonian Squire

I Sub-Zero I [SpaZ]

Joined Apr 2007

Apr 5, 2007 at 9:28 PM • #1

So I started out playing the dervish going for the build Mirror of Ice Scythe and its a great build but i wanted another build that might be more effective ive been testing this build for a couple of days and i like it and i was wondering if anyone would help test it and give me some feed back

Mysticism -- 12+1+1
Scythe Mastery -- 12+1

Armor -- Wind Walker Insignias

Scythe -- Anything, I'M Thinking a Vampiric Scythe of Enchanting or Fortitude with the inscription "Guided by Fate" or "Strength and Honor"

Skills
Mystic Sweep
Eremites Attack
Chilling Victory**
Avatar of Balthazar (elite)
Mystic Vigor
Zealous renewal***
Heart of Holy Flame
Rez of any kind

**Could probably be substituted with Rending Sweep or Victorious Sweep
***Could be replaced with Heart of Fury

Well thats my idea so plz give me comments on it and constructive criticism

joish

Academy Page

Turtle Clan of the Sunny Beach [TRTL]

Joined Mar 2007

Apr 5, 2007 at 9:44 PM • #2

pretty good build, this is almost the same as the one i use, mine's just more focuses on tanking then doing damage but it still get some good attackes in. i would put in mystic regeneration in there cause a good regeneration is always nice. probaly for an attack skill.

firestone2489

Ascalonian Squire

I Sub-Zero I [SpaZ]

Joined Apr 2007

Apr 6, 2007 at 1:24 AM • #3

that is a good idea. i put the mystic vigor in there for self heal, but that could be better than zealous renewal the only thing is that to get good regen out of it you have to sacrifice stat points from scythe mastery and mysticism, but it could be more of a tank that way

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

D/W

Joined Nov 2006

Apr 6, 2007 at 4:51 AM • #4

Glad you like the mirror of ice build, i wrote it

XvArchonvX

Forge Runner

Joined Nov 2005

Apr 6, 2007 at 6:45 AM • #5

Quote: Originally Posted by Coloneh

Glad you like the mirror of ice build, i wrote it

sorry to say i dont like your's so much. Its not horrible, but avatat of balthazar is kinda a waste of an elite. I would do something like this:

Mysticism -- 10+1+1
Scythe Mastery -- 12+1
Earth Prayers -- 8

[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill][skill]Reaper's Sweep[/skill][skill]Mending Touch[/skill] kinda optional
[skill]Mystic Vigor[/skill][skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill][skill]Conviction[/skill][skill]Rebirth[/skill]

thats what iv been using recently Yup, that's what I've been loving lately (except with Crippling Sweep when used in Arenas). However, I think I'll be diversifying a bit with the new update. I've started playing with enchantless builds using Natural Healing that have been pretty fun, but time will tell if I actually stick with this in anything outside of RA, lol.

firestone2489

Ascalonian Squire

I Sub-Zero I [SpaZ]

Joined Apr 2007

Apr 7, 2007 at 4:29 PM • #6

that looks good the only problem is that i cant get those skills yet, (im still working on sunspear general) and what could be used in place of the healing skill another attack?

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

D/W

Joined Nov 2006

Apr 8, 2007 at 2:25 AM • #7

dont replace them, just do some random arena and unlock them with balthazar faction. then you can buy them at kamadan.

firestone2489

Ascalonian Squire

I Sub-Zero I [SpaZ]

Joined Apr 2007

Apr 10, 2007 at 12:58 PM • #8

i like conviction and mystic regen but i really love avatar of balthazar. Is it a waste because it doesn't add enough benefit later on in the game?i could see how it wouldn't be good later but now its awesome

Van vincing

Ascalonian Squire

LOST

D/W

Joined Feb 2007

Apr 10, 2007 at 1:43 PM • #9

i wudn't relly agree wif finkin balthazar sucks, n im not here to offend anyone. Balthazar's +40 armour reduces dmgs by a half (not exaggeration, it is reduced by half) the high speed allows u to quikly get through cursers tht wud otherwise stop u from gettin to the back line to attack monks, n the holy dmg makes u incredibly powerful agaisnt minions n undeads

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

D/W

Joined Nov 2006

Apr 10, 2007 at 11:52 PM • #10

the armor from Balthazar is overkill, conviction is fine.
the speed boost is nice once in awhile, but harrier's haste adds damage.
the holy damage is only useful for a few very specific areas of the game, and then you could use heart of holy flame or judge's insight.

other dervishe elites are better. melandru will prevent more damage. its not worth the space on your bar when you could have reaper's sweep or wounding strike.

Van vincing

Ascalonian Squire

LOST

D/W

Joined Feb 2007

Apr 11, 2007 at 2:29 AM • #11

well it seems like it wud take up 3 slots to have the same effects as one elite skill. However, Im not here to offend anyone n I do knw tht sum ppl wudn't agree wif me, but ths fine.

I used to use reaper sweep, but the 8 second recharge isn't tht great especially when there is a high chance of dealing 0 dmg or even missin in torment areas, but it is my thoughts so watever.

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

D/W

Joined Nov 2006

Apr 11, 2007 at 3:22 AM • #12

those 3 slots are utilities that you wont usually need. reapers will always deal at least 34 damage with 12 scythe. thats bonus damage, its armor ignoring, seems like you havent tried it.

firestone2489

Ascalonian Squire

I Sub-Zero I [SpaZ]

Joined Apr 2007

Apr 12, 2007 at 12:03 PM • #13

i dont see how more armor is overkill i mean how is it possible to have too much armor

.Unanimous.

Academy Page

Majestic Dragons [MaD]

N/W

Joined Dec 2006

Apr 12, 2007 at 4:31 PM • #14

Quote: Originally Posted by Coloneh

Glad you like the mirror of ice build, i wrote it

sorry to say i dont like your's so much. Its not horrible, but avatat of balthazar is kinda a waste of an elite. I would do something like this:

Mysticism -- 10+1+1
Scythe Mastery -- 12+1
Earth Prayers -- 8

[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill]
[skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill]
[skill]Reaper's Sweep[/skill]
[skill]Mending Touch[/skill] kinda optional
[skill]Mystic Vigor[/skill]
[skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill]
[skill]Conviction[/skill]
[skill]Rebirth[/skill]

thats what iv been using recently i'de like to see conviction and reaper's swapped out for Avatar, and then throw in HoF/HoHF or another attack skill, possibly [skill]Chilling Victory[/skill]

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

D/W

Joined Nov 2006

Apr 12, 2007 at 4:51 PM • #15

the point of conviction and reaper's is that avatars suck so reaper's is really the only option for an elite (wounding is alright, but i like the bonus damage), and conviction is to keep you alive so your not a pair of bone minions. HoF really dosnt add THAT much damage, and HoHF is only useful with twin moon sweep.

firestone2489

Ascalonian Squire

I Sub-Zero I [SpaZ]

Joined Apr 2007

Apr 12, 2007 at 8:57 PM • #16

i think its a matter of personal opinion, unless there i get further and experience that avatar of balthazar isn't a valuable avatar then i wont use it. i guess i just haven't seen enough evidence saying avatar of balthazar is worthless.

firestone2489

Ascalonian Squire

I Sub-Zero I [SpaZ]

Joined Apr 2007

Apr 14, 2007 at 2:47 AM • #17

How about this

Mysticism:13 (11+1 +1)
Earth Prayers: 8
Scythe Mastery:12 (11+1)

[skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill]
[skill]Eremite's Attack[/skill]
[skill]Victorious Sweep[/skill]*
[skill]Avatar of Balthazar[/skill]
[skill]Faithful Intervention[/skill]
[skill]Mystic Regeneration[/skill]
[skill]Conviction[/skill]
[skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]**

*can be swapped out for attack skills
**can be swapped out for hard rez

This works fairly well in random arenas but i havent tested it on PvE so it could tank really well

joish

Academy Page

Turtle Clan of the Sunny Beach [TRTL]

Joined Mar 2007

Apr 14, 2007 at 4:54 AM • #18

well i would switch [wiki]Faithful Intervention[/wiki] for [wiki]Mystic Vigor[/wiki]

Coloneh

Furnace Stoker

D/W

Joined Nov 2006

Apr 14, 2007 at 6:26 AM • #19

how about not using avatar of Balthazar because it sucks.

.Unanimous.

Academy Page

Majestic Dragons [MaD]

N/W

Joined Dec 2006

Apr 14, 2007 at 9:23 AM • #20

nah i think that's good, avatar gives extra armour, on top of conviction you get +64 armour...woa. and with the regen from mystic regen, and safety measure with faitfull intervention, i reckon it could tank pretty well. i think you COULD handle with +40 armour though and more health so i WOULD go with mystic Vigor over conviction, but that's just me.