ARRRGH... (this is a rant, for those who dont like those things)

Okay, this is a rant, flame me if you want, see if I care... but be prepared to defend yourself.

What is up with DoA? So far, all that are allowed into the elitist groups are the so called "holy trinity": ele, monk, and warrior. The only other profession allowed in is the necro, and they can only play a BiP build! Really, the place is starting to be like HA, with people demanding that you have Lightbringer 3+ (like fame) or being a certain profession. A Dervish, Paragon, Ranger, Mesmer, Ritualist or Assassin isn't seen for miles. And if a Dervish is allowed into a group, he must be D/E or he's trash, because obviously the only way a Dervish can tank is with Obsidian Flesh. (btw, I'm talking about Dervishes because that's what I play)

Feel free to add on to this rant if you want... or something. What I want to know is why I can't get an Anguish Gemstone set without having to buy one. I don't want to farm solo; I want to be able to kill Mallyx and all that. And btw, don't tell me to make another char because I am NOT willing to play campaigns over and over again.

well im pretty sure areas will be tones down in normal mode when hard mode comes in. I might have read it wrong though.

i wonder how long till this will close.

your more than welcome to start your own group with whatever you like,


and if you can beat atleast 1 area, with a member of each profession you ranted about, i'll mail you a $100

Poor dead horse....

Quote: Originally Posted by runeseeker1

Find a good guild or make some good friends to go with you.

People use the "holy trinity" because they're what works.

Sorry.

A guild is the way to go in these sorts of areas really, though I do agree it's a shame that people discriminate. Haven't been there since they day it opened myself and you say elementalists are popular? I may have to go there...

Quote: Originally Posted by Kakumei

I am in the same boat with my nightfall character (D/P) I remember I had almost the same trouble when trying to pug a group to go kill Shiro. If the skills and professions are balanced, then there wouldn't be trinity only groups...I like having dervishes/rangers/mesmers in my groups even when I am playing one of the holy trinity professions. Dervishes can do lots of aoe damage without causing scattering, and they can spam conditions like crazy, Rangers have interupts, and condition spamming, as well, and a good mesmer can shut down any opponent...
That being said, I guess the Trinity can work better, it is easier, and quicker in most cases...Pure damage, pure tank, pure healing...I guess the rest of us are just support classes, until I can get my monk or warrior through nightfall.

Quote: Originally Posted by ravensong

i guess you could think of it like getting into a group in HA. Except with a required rank.

DoA is not normal content. its a high end area there for a challenge and to be farmed. if you want a challenge, try and form your own team, or find some friends. because most ppl are there to farm.

when you farm, people use what works. you dont need a mesmer, ranger, assassin, paragon, dervish, or ritualist. the holy trinity covers everything you need (tank, nuke, heal) with the necro bringing support.

why bring any other class if they wont help? its not elitism, its logic. would you invite a crip anthem para into your caster spike build in HA? the crip anthem para isnt bad, it just doesnt have a role in that build. same goes for DoA.

Greed.

That's all it is; people want more/better/stronger stuff, and will do whatever they have to to get it.

So those of us who are "stupid" enough to play a non-sanctioned character get left with the prospect of buying the loot those holy ones have so painstakingly farmed... over, and, over, and over again, while we unwashed masses lurk in the zone, pleading with someone to take us with them like some lost puppy.

It's elitism and discrimination, and frankly, I find it pathetic. Try being a mesmer at Deldrimor for an Oro run. Might as well not even log in.

Form your own group? That's got to be the funniest thing I've heard today. With what? Unless you're in a huge guild with all sorts of noble sorts that are willing to help, you're more likely to get the Xunlai agent to go with you.

Logic? Sure, it's logical, if all you want to do is maximise your profit. What happened to having fun? Oh, wait. Foolish me. I forgot that this wasn't meant to be fun, it was meant to increase the size of individual egos. Instead, every trip is a profit machine; don't bother trying to help or - gasp - learn how other professions might me useful in any given area. You might waste your time, and time is money!

Will this anger some people? Probably. I have only this to say to those who get hot under the collar: Methinks the lady/gent doth protest too much.

Cynical? Yeah, maybe. Why shouldn't I, or anyone else in this kind of a situation, be cynical?

And don't give me "The right person for the job" argument; that's hogwash. If the Dev team wanted a zone to be class-specific, it would have been built that way. Instead, we have elitists making the decisions for us.

The right person for the job is a player who uses their own intelligence to play their character effectively, given any circumstances. Instead we have cookie-cutter builds where about the only differences in characters is appearance and names. Yippee. Nothing like watching the same movie, over and over again. I would find it dreadfully boring myself.

Meh.

Quote: Originally Posted by Caoimhe

Class discrimination has always gotten on my nerves in this game, and it oftentimes comes from the 12-year-old guildwiki kiddies who believe that there is one and ONLY one effective way to do EVERYTHING. Granted the amount of skills, profession/secondary, and party combinations possible...I find that to be a little hard to believe.

I actually recently started my guild to address that very problem, and focus on coming up with NEW builds for these areas, and work on helping people who have never been able to get into the pvp scene to do so with a group of friends instead of having to be accepted by "the elite". It's still new so who knows if this experiment will work.

On a side note, just wait a few months when a new DoA party configuration comes out that includes one of those non-"holy trinity" professions, you'll see it up on the wiki in no time, then IT will be the "only way" to do things.

yes theres builds for other classes that work, but if you are going to be spending 3+ hours doing a quest in DoA wouldnt you want to make sure it works correctly?

it may sound like elitism, but im sure you wouldnt want some one in your party you wernt sure about when you are about to go on a long quest.

Quote: Originally Posted by ss1986v2

Well I may be the minority on this, but I'd get a lot more satisfaction from doing a hard area with something original than the generally "accepted build". Don't get me wrong, I've had plenty of fun playing in B/P groups in Urgoz and Tombs. However, I generally don't do these areas for the loot, I could honestly care less about that. I like running the hard areas for a sense of fun and accomplishment, but I realize that most people are in it for the money.

So if using something different means it takes me a bit longer and I lose my "farming efficiency" or whatever, that's fine. Is anyone with me? (Probably not )

Quote: Originally Posted by Caoimhe I was a bit harsh; forgive me that tone (it's the painkillers). You're right; I hadn't meant to imply that it was that way for everyone. I was looking more at those who ONLY do this to hock what they garner for more computerized gold pieces. To me, (and I guess I should have made this clear in my first post,) what makes GW fun is a few things: It's a beautiful game, I've found some really neat people all over the GW world, and I like earning what I can get. But I get you. What works for me isn't what works for others. I see folks talking about their bank accounts being greater than Ascalon's Treasury (pre-searing) and wonder what it's like to do the same thing over and over again. I don't think in the 20 months I've been playing that I've ever had more than 60K in storage. agreed 110%. and you are true. there are tons of 12 year old, wiki-noobs, just hocking gems and such and hording plats, armor, and skins to help their e-peen. these are the guys that scream, "N00b!!11! mezmerz suxxxzzz!1!! wez ned a nukkerz!11!". and these guys need to be chastised more by the community. i just think its unfair to bash the legit guys that are just trying to scrape together enough plats to actually have the nicer (or more appropriately, expensive) things in GW.

as for the others claims of elitism, i just dont see it. if what someone wants to do is farm, why is that a bad thing? take topk for example. you can run a balanced build there and get it done in just over an hour. and it works great. but why would you run a balanced build when what you want to do is farm. usually you want to pick the fastest, least intensive route, which in tombs would probably be b/p. its not a matter of "if you arent a ranger, necro, or monk, you suck!". anyone that says that IS a noob and deserves the community's rage. but for the guy who is just trying to farm some cash for the stuff he would really like to have, i think its wrong to criticize them for playing the game how they want.

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Originally Posted by TheDarkOneVK So if using something different means it takes me a bit longer and I lose my "farming efficiency" or whatever, that's fine. Is anyone with me? (Probably not ) again, agreed 110%. anyone and everyone should be able to play the game whatever way they want. but the same goes for the farmers out there too.

Quote: Originally Posted by TheDarkOneVK