Something I don't understand with "Perfect daggers"

Well, it seems that an overwheelming majority of Sins users prefer Zealous mod over the Sundering mod.

Even on Guru price check forum, Zealous mod is at a higher price.

The problem is: When I'm going on auction sites to see some daggers, I always see some nice things, but always with this "Sundering 20%", and never with zealous mod. It's irritating when you think you ll have to buy a zealous mod after buying the so "Perfect" dagger at some very high price...

So why ??? Those who sell the daggers never played sins? Or is there another reason I fail to see ???

Well, sundering sucks on daggers, people think sundering is good, but that's just a "leet" status thing. Like how people think a sundering sword is worth 100K + Stupid amount of ectos.

Zealous is worthy of high price on daggers.

Ignorance made Sundering Mods overrated -.-"
And yea... the Assassin isnt the most popular class among the general community :z

Perfect weapons are always worth more because the have the best mods....well kinda. For daggers zealous tend to be the prime choice for mods considering assassins need energy to keep up their atk chains. Fast atking + 1nrg per hit makes the zealous mod a perfect choice in "most" cases. I personally use sundering 20/20 almost all the time for PVE because my builds normally use alot of crits, in which case i dont require the use of zealous daggers. Take a perfect sword for instance (15^50, 20/20, +30 req 8-9), it would be worth more than a zealous sword would. Even though it's not quite as useful generally it's still worth more because the mods are demanded more. Daggers work the same way except the zealous daggers have a broader range of uses so it makes them a better choice to use. It's the same concept in the real world...most things that are worth alot (example diamonds) arent very useful but are rare and on higher demand.

The assassin doesn't gain a whole lot from his DAGGERS, per se, but the bonus damage coming off his attacks. And getting 2-3 extra damage with a 20% chance is less useful than ALWAYS gaining back 1 energy per hit, or stealing 3 life. Vampiric and Zealous will always be worth more, IMHO.

thats why u carry more than one set of daggers...smart sins carry 2-3 pairs...i personally carry 3 90% of the time and depending on my secondary profession a weapon for that as well.

I carry 4 pairs, Zealous Fort, Vampiric Fort, Vampiric Enchant, Zealous Enchant.

I always use my zealous daggers.

I love em too much...

I have 2 daggers and a longbow that I use for pulling as well as one that could be used for Crit Barrage if I so desired

The daggers I use are Ungues of the Forgotten (15^50, zealous, hp +30) and Falaharn's Split Chakrams (15^50, daze 20%, hp +30) that I use whenever I run a daze build.

I use the Ungues more though :3 I prefer zealous over sundering, even if I do use crit attacks. Basically for the same reasons others have mentioned

Everthorn's Chakrams. They're green, they're 55'able. Gogogo!

Sundering is useless as we all know..

I have a pair of Zealous, Vamp, and Icy Daggers at all times.

And a shield and spear to switch when not battling.

Quote: Originally Posted by Neverending Silence

Assassins are better off with Zealous than anything else. The Sundering crap is just cause it's the only mod of that sort that is available in Perfect/Non-Perfect state. So a 20/20 Sundering with +30 is considered "more Perfect" than a Zealous (seeing as its always perf.) + 30.

Sundering on daggers is impractical simply because daggers have pathetically low base 7-17 damage to start with. As mentioned above, the bulk of assassin melee damage come from armor-ignoring skill based +damage. Since assassin attack skills require raw energy, the zealous dagger mod really makes assassin melee damage output come alive, especially when IAS and double-strikes are factored in.

Sundering is overrated - everyone here knows that
Zealous is overrated - Assassins do chained attack skills and chained attack skills doesn't have double strike applied. So in comparison, you're only reducing each of your attack skill's energy cost by 1. Assassin's main energy management still come from critical strike.
Vampiric - 3 extra damage is not a lot if you're going to use attack skills

Conclusion: Non of these 3 mods gives you significant advantage on the battle field.

Silencing is the mod that I perfer, because 2 extra seconds of daze is very deadly.

Quote: Originally Posted by lightblade

Quote: Originally Posted by lightblade

Sundering is really really poor on daggers...

Temple strike builds innefective? Shows what some people know.

I perfer to have Zealous or condition lengthing upgrades on my daggers.

zealous and vamp is all you need.